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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
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Exactly, tons of variables. The FIA used to publish all sorts of useful information in that regard, can't seem to find it anymore.
And of course peak power isn't the most important thing. It was always said the Ferrari engine was more peaky, and the Renault was best for driveability, which is why Red Bull have stuck with Renault when really they could have had their choice. Renault were pointing at their peak power and moaning that they ought to be allowed to do a bit more development work to close the gap, but when a Renault engine car is winning all the time the argument looks a bit weak.
Yes I agree, and yet more testament to Neweys aero design genius.
Old Oct 31, 2011 | 02:52 PM
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I'm glad Dembo is here to explain stuff. :0)
Old Oct 31, 2011 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
But it's interesting that for Torro Rosso, going for top speed seems to have delivered good results. And remember a couple of years ago when Force India nearly won both Spa and Monza thanks to straight line speed.
It's certainly a very good strategy with DRS, not so good without it.

I thought MSC's comment about using his KERS all in one go on the first lap was interesting and it worked beautifully.

But we're back to my original assertion. Cornering speed is what's won RBR all the championships in the last two seasons. Webber's poor starts have really cost him, as he's been unable to overtake people on the straights, in the meantime Vettel has generally disappeared into the distance.
Old Oct 31, 2011 | 11:26 PM
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Hope Red Bull aren't as dominant next season as F1 has gone boring again. Vettel so Schumacher like it could be a repeat of the Schumacher Ferrari 00s era of dominance (I pray not!)

Stewards were so right to penalise Massa for the collision. How many times can you look over to check a car is alongside before deliberatey turning in on them

Anyone else find Hamilton slightly annoying in the post race interview? Comes accross as a right nob no wonder his bird dumped him
Old Nov 1, 2011 | 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tailhappy
Hope Red Bull aren't as dominant next season as F1 has gone boring again. Vettel so Schumacher like it could be a repeat of the Schumacher Ferrari 00s era of dominance (I pray not!)
Well lets just hope the teams with heritage pull their finger out and make better cars.
Old Nov 1, 2011 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lower
Hamilton's not a number 2. Still often quicker than Button in qualifying, but just can't keep it all together in the race at the moment.

I'm a big Button fan, but i can't help feeling that Button's current apparent form is more down to Hamilton's current lack of form.

The race should have been so much better with all the build up. Was it the dust problem that meant that there was no decent overtaking?
I know what you're saying, but the table doesn't lie though.

Regardless of circumstance, if you aren't filling your potential, you aren't the driver you should be. I don't want to be seen to constantly nocking Hamilton, but I do see him as a wasted talent at the moment.

In my view Jenson is the better driver. He's a more intelligent driver, and winning championships both personal and constructors, is about finishing races.. At the moment you just couldn't bet on Hamilton, and therefore Button is the main man (and also the most recent F1 champion)
Old Nov 1, 2011 | 02:49 AM
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You get no points on Saturday.

I just don't see Hamilton having the mental capacity to be a World Champion under these current rules.
Old Nov 1, 2011 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
They've frozen engine development for a while now, and also limited the revs.
Its not totally frozen though is it....

Exhaust development isn't frozen, nor is engine mapping. If either of these cause the engine to become unreliable then modifications are allowed to bring back the reliability.

The engine manufacturers have been contriving possible unreliability so that they can get the FIA to allow them to improve the engine.

So engine development has been happening in the background, just at a much slower rate.
Old Nov 1, 2011 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MB
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Hamilton's not a number 2. Still often quicker than Button in qualifying, but just can't keep it all together in the race at the moment.

I'm a big Button fan, but i can't help feeling that Button's current apparent form is more down to Hamilton's current lack of form.

The race should have been so much better with all the build up. Was it the dust problem that meant that there was no decent overtaking?
I know what you're saying, but the table doesn't lie though.

Regardless of circumstance, if you aren't filling your potential, you aren't the driver you should be. I don't want to be seen to constantly nocking Hamilton, but I do see him as a wasted talent at the moment.

In my view Jenson is the better driver. He's a more intelligent driver, and winning championships both personal and constructors, is about finishing races.. At the moment you just couldn't bet on Hamilton, and therefore Button is the main man (and also the most recent F1 champion)
Statistics often lie or rather, are interpreted to suit an argument, I can't believe you are seriously trying to claim Button is a better driver than Hamilton!
Old Nov 1, 2011 | 08:45 AM
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Hamilton is faster, of that there's little doubt, but Button has been performing better in the races, which is where it counts.



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