The Formula 1 Thread - 2011
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In my opinion no matter how many points Button scores more than Hamilton it will not make him the better of the two drivers.
The best driver of all time in F1 in my opinion was Senna, however because Schumacher scored more points, won more grand prix and was F1 champion more times than Senna he, according to your 'facts' was a better driver than Senna, which personally I don't believe is true either.
The best driver of all time in F1 in my opinion was Senna, however because Schumacher scored more points, won more grand prix and was F1 champion more times than Senna he, according to your 'facts' was a better driver than Senna, which personally I don't believe is true either.
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The best driver of all time in F1 in my opinion was Senna, however because Schumacher scored more points, won more grand prix and was F1 champion more times than Senna he, according to your 'facts' was a better driver than Senna, which personally I don't believe is true either.
It's very easy to get misty-eyed about past greats, but in reality there's a way of measuring how great a driver is, and that's the point system. Arguably the points don't always reflect who is the "best" driver (e.g. someone who only comes second can win the championship), but then maybe the best driver is the one who works within the current rules to best acheive the goal of winning the championship.
But the nature of F1 means you can only really compare team-mates anyway. There's no question Button has driven better this year.
I'm finding it hard to get exciting by Abu Dhabi.
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320857749' post='21142107
The best driver of all time in F1 in my opinion was Senna, however because Schumacher scored more points, won more grand prix and was F1 champion more times than Senna he, according to your 'facts' was a better driver than Senna, which personally I don't believe is true either.
It's very easy to get misty-eyed about past greats, but in reality there's a way of measuring how great a driver is, and that's the point system. Arguably the points don't always reflect who is the "best" driver (e.g. someone who only comes second can win the championship), but then maybe the best driver is the one who works within the current rules to best acheive the goal of winning the championship.
But the nature of F1 means you can only really compare team-mates anyway. There's no question Button has driven better this year.
I'm finding it hard to get exciting by Abu Dhabi.
, Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.
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So why isn't he winning the F1 championship, or beating his inferior team-mate? Fair enough if his engine had blown up in 4 races, and a random suspension part spanked him on the head, but most of the reason he's not beating Button is his own doing. Not what i'd call a superior driver. You play to finish races and score points. Simple. Crashing your car into inanimate objects / other drivers doesn't lend itself to that. Again, you can have all the talent in the world, but you ahve to finish 
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Hamilton has lost his mojo and the championship was gone very early in the season. If Mclaren have built a competitive car next season Hamilton will be right on it. For sure Vettel has been so much more consistent this season and thats what needed for picking up titles.When Hamilton is on it Button cannot compete at his level
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Not sure if Hamilton is a better driver than Button or not, but one thing is without doubt, Button is the more sensible driver of the two and Hamilton is therefore NOT the "complete package".
IMO of course, but if anyone should dare to disagree, I will insult and vilify them without mercy!
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It basically comes down to 2 things this season:
1) This season's regulations are perfect for Button's style of driving - If he'd been asked to write them himself I doubt he could have done a better job.
2) Hamilton drove like a cock for the first part of the season and has been mediocre (qualifying excepted) for the latter half. Why this is only he will know.
I've said it before, but I think Hamilton will look back at this year as being one of the most important seasons of his career - that is if he is able to learn lessons and develop from it.
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320165977' post='21119007
Only because Hamilton is distracted, give the guy a break.
Hamilton has lost his mojo and the championship was gone very early in the season. If Mclaren have built a competitive car next season Hamilton will be right on it. For sure Vettel has been so much more consistent this season and thats what needed for picking up titles.When Hamilton is on it Button cannot compete at his level
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Originally Posted by MB' timestamp='1320867762' post='21142725
So why isn't he winning the F1 championship, or beating his inferior team-mate?
It basically comes down to 2 things this season:
1) This season's regulations are perfect for Button's style of driving - If he'd been asked to write them himself I doubt he could have done a better job.
2) Hamilton drove like a cock for the first part of the season and has been mediocre (qualifying excepted) for the latter half. Why this is only he will know.
I've said it before, but I think Hamilton will look back at this year as being one of the most important seasons of his career - that is if he is able to learn lessons and develop from it.
http://news.bbc.co.u...ne/15674872.stm
which explains his 'lack of focus' this season for me for sure ...for those who don't wish to read the full article, here is the interesting bit from the horses mouth ..
"Jenson has done a great job to get things in the right place," said Hamilton, who recently split from his long-term girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger and is no longer managed by his father Anthony.
"He's got his Dad, who's there at every single race, he's got his manager, he's got his friends and his girlfriend there all the time.
"He's got a great bubble around him and with that he's able to go out there and perform without any worries on his mind.
"He's in a much stronger position than me so I wouldn't expect anything less than the results he's been getting. But that's not affecting the way I'm performing. I've just been a bit unfortunate and I've got my own problems.
"I lost that bubble. It is a priority for me to create that atmosphere around myself because it's a happy bubble."
On the subject of his personal life, Hamilton added: "They affect everything you do, the things you say, the way you act, the groove you get into.
"It's not an excuse it's just the way things have gone. I feel quite confident that I know the right direction for next year and how I can get things better - it's just about doing it.
"I don't plan on being single for very long. It's nothing to do with being single or not being single. When I was in my relationship she was probably the most positive thing that was in my life - and maybe that needs to be back there."
"He's got his Dad, who's there at every single race, he's got his manager, he's got his friends and his girlfriend there all the time.
"He's got a great bubble around him and with that he's able to go out there and perform without any worries on his mind.
"He's in a much stronger position than me so I wouldn't expect anything less than the results he's been getting. But that's not affecting the way I'm performing. I've just been a bit unfortunate and I've got my own problems.
"I lost that bubble. It is a priority for me to create that atmosphere around myself because it's a happy bubble."
On the subject of his personal life, Hamilton added: "They affect everything you do, the things you say, the way you act, the groove you get into.
"It's not an excuse it's just the way things have gone. I feel quite confident that I know the right direction for next year and how I can get things better - it's just about doing it.
"I don't plan on being single for very long. It's nothing to do with being single or not being single. When I was in my relationship she was probably the most positive thing that was in my life - and maybe that needs to be back there."