The Formula 1 Thread - 2011
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He has been very honest in his feedback over the last few months. Initially i'm sure he was taking blame for things through gritted teeth, to appease the media, but I think he's been pretty genuine lately. I predict in the next season or 2, a reconciliation with his dad, and some harmony within the team. If he gets that right, I think he can do some damage. But there's a fair few racing judgement questions to be answered for me.
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all irrelevant unless he is in a car good enough to win the championship and I can't see any reason why that should happen
without something very surprising happening, next year looks set up for Vettel again
without something very surprising happening, next year looks set up for Vettel again
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I wasn't being misty eyed, just trying to argue that points don't a better driver make. I would disagree with your statement 'There's no question Button has driven better this year. ' as you are just basing that as MB did on the points he scored so far, I don't want to keep going around in circles about it, so I will state my viewpoint one last time for the record 
, Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.
, Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.This sounds like blind faith. Which is fine; there's plenty of people who cheer on their football team despite them being bottom of the table. But that does not make a logical argument. The best F1 driver is one who's getting the most out of his equipment, which you can only really judge by comparison with his team-mate, and not one who's having clumsy crashes with Massa for 6th place whilst his team-mate is challenging for the lead.
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320867208' post='21142701
I wasn't being misty eyed, just trying to argue that points don't a better driver make. I would disagree with your statement 'There's no question Button has driven better this year. ' as you are just basing that as MB did on the points he scored so far, I don't want to keep going around in circles about it, so I will state my viewpoint one last time for the record , Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.
, Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.This sounds like blind faith. Which is fine; there's plenty of people who cheer on their football team despite them being bottom of the table. But that does not make a logical argument. The best F1 driver is one who's getting the most out of his equipment, which you can only really judge by comparison with his team-mate, and not one who's having clumsy crashes with Massa for 6th place whilst his team-mate is challenging for the lead.
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It's not irrelevant at all, but I do agree the redbull will still be the car to beat next year once again ... the other teams just need to make sure RB don't get off to a flier again!
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Originally Posted by Dembo' timestamp='1320954302' post='21146120
[quote name='s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320867208' post='21142701']
I wasn't being misty eyed, just trying to argue that points don't a better driver make. I would disagree with your statement 'There's no question Button has driven better this year. ' as you are just basing that as MB did on the points he scored so far, I don't want to keep going around in circles about it, so I will state my viewpoint one last time for the record , Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.
I wasn't being misty eyed, just trying to argue that points don't a better driver make. I would disagree with your statement 'There's no question Button has driven better this year. ' as you are just basing that as MB did on the points he scored so far, I don't want to keep going around in circles about it, so I will state my viewpoint one last time for the record
, Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.This sounds like blind faith. Which is fine; there's plenty of people who cheer on their football team despite them being bottom of the table. But that does not make a logical argument. The best F1 driver is one who's getting the most out of his equipment, which you can only really judge by comparison with his team-mate, and not one who's having clumsy crashes with Massa for 6th place whilst his team-mate is challenging for the lead.
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That's not even an argument. True talent wins through despite the odds. the odds have been against Hamilton. He didn't win.
I'm not at all a hater, when he's on his game, he's exciting to watch, very fast. But he's off his game, and he's not a big "thinker". He struggles with the long game. Vettel, Button, Schumacher and Alonso have all shown commitment and skill in the long game. For Hamilton to raise his game, he needs to work with the tyres, think about the entire race and produce the results.
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f@#k the prom queen"
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320957966' post='21146329
[quote name='Dembo' timestamp='1320954302' post='21146120']
[quote name='s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320867208' post='21142701']
I wasn't being misty eyed, just trying to argue that points don't a better driver make. I would disagree with your statement 'There's no question Button has driven better this year. ' as you are just basing that as MB did on the points he scored so far, I don't want to keep going around in circles about it, so I will state my viewpoint one last time for the record , Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.
[quote name='s2k_Nut' timestamp='1320867208' post='21142701']
I wasn't being misty eyed, just trying to argue that points don't a better driver make. I would disagree with your statement 'There's no question Button has driven better this year. ' as you are just basing that as MB did on the points he scored so far, I don't want to keep going around in circles about it, so I will state my viewpoint one last time for the record
, Button is not a better driver than Hamilton this year, he has never been a better driver than Hamilton and never will be. Hamilton has that excellence of driving ability only the elite of motor-sport have, it is bred into him, it is part of his DNA, he is the real deal, and in my view the BEST current F1 driver today.This sounds like blind faith. Which is fine; there's plenty of people who cheer on their football team despite them being bottom of the table. But that does not make a logical argument. The best F1 driver is one who's getting the most out of his equipment, which you can only really judge by comparison with his team-mate, and not one who's having clumsy crashes with Massa for 6th place whilst his team-mate is challenging for the lead.
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That's not even an argument. True talent wins through despite the odds. the odds have been against Hamilton. He didn't win.
I'm not at all a hater, when he's on his game, he's exciting to watch, very fast. But he's off his game, and he's not a big "thinker". He struggles with the long game. Vettel, Button, Schumacher and Alonso have all shown commitment and skill in the long game. For Hamilton to raise his game, he needs to work with the tyres, think about the entire race and produce the results.
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f@#k the prom queen"
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... you should offer him a few lessons I am sure he could learn a lot from your vast wealth of experience 
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You don't necessarily have to be good at something to see what's happening.
He has always struggled to manage his tyres, a few years ago, tyres down to canvas in China, causing him to understeer into a gravel trap in the pit lane for example.
He has always struggled to manage his tyres, a few years ago, tyres down to canvas in China, causing him to understeer into a gravel trap in the pit lane for example.
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Nut, I think your argument has just gone down the pan with the last couple of posts. Saying Chilled can't comment due to lack of experience, essentially makes your opinion null and void by the same token?! I hazard a guess as to who's done more laps on a racing circuit too!
Also...
"Button is a good driver, that's all"
Are you completely mad?! He's won an F1 championship and currently showing up his team mate at nearly every opportunity where it counts (ie not qualifying or practice)
No point me continuing on here - i'm out
Also...
"Button is a good driver, that's all"
Are you completely mad?! He's won an F1 championship and currently showing up his team mate at nearly every opportunity where it counts (ie not qualifying or practice)
No point me continuing on here - i'm out