He got a drive through: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...on-Button.html

 

No he wouldn't, these incidents are often so close to call they are just opinion based, personally I agree with Dave (that's a turn up) but the point of all this is Vettel' reaction, showing his true colours now that the car is not the strongest in the field ... I also love the fact that Webber has out qualified Vettel every race so far ... golden boy hates it doesn't he ... being brought back down to earth and looking for people to blame because he is not as good as the hype that he readily believed that was built up around him by Horner and the RB team. I remenber being berated on here last year when I gave my 'grading' of the top 5 drivers and vettel didn't enter my top 5 of if he did he was 5th something like that, I still maintain that view too, in fact now I would say he was 6th after Kimi .. possibly 7th after Sergio's efforts
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He IS wrong, Vettel was not penalised.The stewards attached no blame to him. Now it is possible that that those on here blaming him are more experienced than the stewards and have more technology available to them, in which case I bow to their superiority.

I do agree that he could have reacted better in the post race interview.
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You know what they say about sarcasm right ... did you even watch the race, do you know anything about F1 or are you just trolling as seems to be your only point in posting anywhere on any thread on this forum these days? The opinion of the stewards is just that, their opinion, referees in football make decisions all the time they are not always right, but their decision is what counts, it's no different in F1.

Yes, the point was about his reaction.

 

No he wouldn't, these incidents are often so close to call they are just opinion based, personally I agree with Dave (that's a turn up) but the point of all this is Vettel' reaction, showing his true colours now that the car is not the strongest in the field ... I also love the fact that Webber has out qualified Vettel every race so far ... golden boy hates it doesn't he ... being brought back down to earth and looking for people to blame because he is not as good as the hype that he readily believed that was built up around him by Horner and the RB team. I remenber being berated on here last year when I gave my 'grading' of the top 5 drivers and vettel didn't enter my top 5 of if he did he was 5th something like that, I still maintain that view too, in fact now I would say he was 6th after Kimi .. possibly 7th after Sergio's efforts
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He IS wrong, Vettel was not penalised.The stewards attached no blame to him. Now it is possible that that those on here blaming him are more experienced than the stewards and have more technology available to them, in which case I bow to their superiority.

I do agree that he could have reacted better in the post race interview.
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You know what they say about sarcasm right ... did you even watch the race, do you know anything about F1 or are you just trolling as seems to be your only point in posting anywhere on any thread on this forum these days? The opinion of the stewards is just that, their opinion, referees in football make decisions all the time they are not always right, but their decision is what counts, it's no different in F1.

Yes, the point was about his reaction.
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Sarcasm has nothing to do with it, I just find it incredible that internet experts having watched some TV footage feel that they are better judges of fact than the race stewards who have far more information available to them. The comparison to football referees fails on several counts as you must be aware.
Yes I did watch the race and yes I do know something about F1, I have probably been following it for longer than you have lived. However I am no expert, and I venture to suggest, neither are you.

 

No he wouldn't, these incidents are often so close to call they are just opinion based, personally I agree with Dave (that's a turn up) but the point of all this is Vettel' reaction, showing his true colours now that the car is not the strongest in the field ... I also love the fact that Webber has out qualified Vettel every race so far ... golden boy hates it doesn't he ... being brought back down to earth and looking for people to blame because he is not as good as the hype that he readily believed that was built up around him by Horner and the RB team. I remenber being berated on here last year when I gave my 'grading' of the top 5 drivers and vettel didn't enter my top 5 of if he did he was 5th something like that, I still maintain that view too, in fact now I would say he was 6th after Kimi .. possibly 7th after Sergio's efforts
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He IS wrong, Vettel was not penalised.The stewards attached no blame to him. Now it is possible that that those on here blaming him are more experienced than the stewards and have more technology available to them, in which case I bow to their superiority.

I do agree that he could have reacted better in the post race interview.
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You know what they say about sarcasm right ... did you even watch the race, do you know anything about F1 or are you just trolling as seems to be your only point in posting anywhere on any thread on this forum these days? The opinion of the stewards is just that, their opinion, referees in football make decisions all the time they are not always right, but their decision is what counts, it's no different in F1.

Yes, the point was about his reaction.
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Sarcasm has nothing to do with it, I just find it incredible that internet experts having watched some TV footage feel that they are better judges of fact than the race stewards who have far more information available to them. The comparison to football referees fails on several counts as you must be aware.
Yes I did watch the race and yes I do know something about F1, I have probably been following it for longer than you have lived. However I am no expert, and I venture to suggest, neither are you.
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I am obviously much older than you think I am, if you know something about F1 then you know that the stewards often make bad calls, just like refs.

If we 'the internet experts' share an opinion on a stewards decision that is just that our opinion .... it is my interpretation that Vettel cut across the front and was tagged by Karthikeyan becase Vettel come across too soon after the 'overtake', Vettel should have given him plenty of space instead of being overly aggressive in his manouvre ... and in my view that is what p1ssed Vettel off .. he realised that he effectively caused his own tyre to be punctured, he needn't have been anywhere near Karthikeyan. Therefore, it was Vettels fault ... regardless of what the stewards outcome was is my point.

 

I have seen the incident from multiple angles and I can see why NK got the penalty.

However, Vettel was at least as much to blame. There was no need to chop him like he did.

The penalty puts NK in the wrong, but ATEOTD, he only lost one place, whereas Vettel lost a load of points.

There is absolutely no reason for NK to want to hit Vettel and the replay shows him looking at the white line (which he said he slipped on).

 

Or I am not as young as you think I am.
It was the stewards interpretation that Vettel held his line and that Karthikeyan cut back behind him too early. This was based on replays and telemetry that was available to them and after careful evaluation.Karthikeyen seemed to confirm this in the post race interview ISTR but I could be mistaken.
Should he have been penalised is another question. In my opinion Vettel was justifiably pissed off that his chance of points had been ruined, however his reaction left a lot to be desired.
Regarding the comparison with refs, they make instant judgement calls with only eyeball Mk1 and their assistants to help them. They do not have the luxury of replays and telemetry and therefore sometimes make wrong,rather than bad, calls.They cannot be compared to race stewards.

 

Qualy is all over the shop!!

Kobayashi stepping up to the Checo hype and proving the pace of the Sauber. I think he can win tomorrow if he gets a good start.

McLaren must be a bit shocked, but Button will come good if the temperature goes up

Vettel is obviously feeling sick and i'm sure Webbo is pi55ing himself!

Amazing lap from Nico though.

Race should be a guddun

 

Why would McLaren be shocked? They had the second fastest car with Hamilton and are likely to have a better race pace, Button's well-document qualifying weakness in cold temperatures appeared once again as you rightly point out.

Great lap from Rosberg, his face was a picture, and a great job from Sauber.

I was wondering if Vettel would do his famous hand signal with both hands to signify his placing.

 

 

Sauber and how far ahead Merc was