The Formula 1 Thread - 2012
Is it just me or was Vettel behaving like a spoilt brat in his post-race interview re: the HRT?
I'm still trying to work out who was at fault for the incident, but looking at the racing line, it seems to me that it was Vettel who cut across.
And the fact he did something quite similar to Webber 3 years ago (and blamed Webber for it, even though I think he was at fault there too) smacks of hypocrisy.
I'm still trying to work out who was at fault for the incident, but looking at the racing line, it seems to me that it was Vettel who cut across.
And the fact he did something quite similar to Webber 3 years ago (and blamed Webber for it, even though I think he was at fault there too) smacks of hypocrisy.
That is, the realisation that the car is 90% of the winning equation
And that he is not uniquely talented
There are exceptions
He isn't one of them
Originally Posted by san2000' timestamp='1332763532' post='21543779
Is it just me or was Vettel behaving like a spoilt brat in his post-race interview re: the HRT?
I'm still trying to work out who was at fault for the incident, but looking at the racing line, it seems to me that it was Vettel who cut across.
And the fact he did something quite similar to Webber 3 years ago (and blamed Webber for it, even though I think he was at fault there too) smacks of hypocrisy.
I'm still trying to work out who was at fault for the incident, but looking at the racing line, it seems to me that it was Vettel who cut across.
And the fact he did something quite similar to Webber 3 years ago (and blamed Webber for it, even though I think he was at fault there too) smacks of hypocrisy.
That is, the realisation that the car is 90% of the winning equation
And that he is not uniquely talented
There are exceptions
He isn't one of them
Originally Posted by san2000' timestamp='1332763532' post='21543779
Is it just me or was Vettel behaving like a spoilt brat in his post-race interview re: the HRT?
I'm still trying to work out who was at fault for the incident, but looking at the racing line, it seems to me that it was Vettel who cut across.
And the fact he did something quite similar to Webber 3 years ago (and blamed Webber for it, even though I think he was at fault there too) smacks of hypocrisy.
I'm still trying to work out who was at fault for the incident, but looking at the racing line, it seems to me that it was Vettel who cut across.
And the fact he did something quite similar to Webber 3 years ago (and blamed Webber for it, even though I think he was at fault there too) smacks of hypocrisy.
That is, the realisation that the car is 90% of the winning equation
And that he is not uniquely talented
There are exceptions
He isn't one of them
Bruno Senna is not an exception, he is a good driver and I really want him to do well, that Williams looks pretty impressive, but the Lotus and the Sauber are superb right now., Sergio and Kimi are damned impressive too.
Button's response was a breath of fresh air and it was good to see him take complete blame for the incident.
It's interesting, as if it was Hamilton who had smashed his front wing off or who had given the finger to another driver then called him an idiot in the press interviews afterwards, then the media reaction would have been significantly different I feel.
I also thought that Hamilton had a decent race. His chance of any win was taken away by several bothced pit stops, but he seemed content to take 3rd. A distinct difference from last season where he may have pushed too hard and come away with nothing. He certainly isn't racing Perez for the championship and I'm not sure Alonso has a fair chance with that car, although you never know as he is a class act. Hamilton will win races this year, the important thing is that he scores good points in those races that he doesn't win.
Great to see Senna doing well in the Williams.
It's interesting, as if it was Hamilton who had smashed his front wing off or who had given the finger to another driver then called him an idiot in the press interviews afterwards, then the media reaction would have been significantly different I feel.
I also thought that Hamilton had a decent race. His chance of any win was taken away by several bothced pit stops, but he seemed content to take 3rd. A distinct difference from last season where he may have pushed too hard and come away with nothing. He certainly isn't racing Perez for the championship and I'm not sure Alonso has a fair chance with that car, although you never know as he is a class act. Hamilton will win races this year, the important thing is that he scores good points in those races that he doesn't win.
Great to see Senna doing well in the Williams.
Senna - nice chap and know how to drive. good for him that eventually he had an opportunity to show it. is he exceptional? probably not
Massa - a shame. performance difference with Alonso is just too great and painfull to see.
Alonso - is a true champ.
Raikonen - a good one too.
Perez - what a race!!! need more expirience though. i think for him it's not good to go to Ferrari now - worse car, far worse treatment.
Button - a real gentlemen. a fast one too.
Hamilton - fast and furios but nothing works for him for some reason....
Kartekian - need to get a big penalty. he've put himself in a way of other fast cars too many times during last two weekends. Even with Jensen - what's the point to fight feercely on the track with top 3 teams? this will only create dagerous situations...
Kartekian #2 - he's again faster than his team mate !!! (last time was at India GP)
Marussia - how the hell they stil in front of Caterham???? it's a fact - they have better performance then we notice.
Red Bulls - back to reality. i think they will kick back. but at least this year championships will not be so easy (for any of the teams)
Mercedes - what's going on???????
FI-Sahara - Di Resta smart, but Hulkenberg seems to be really good too. might be even faster than Di Resta.
Grojean - what's up with you boy?????
Massa - a shame. performance difference with Alonso is just too great and painfull to see.
Alonso - is a true champ.
Raikonen - a good one too.
Perez - what a race!!! need more expirience though. i think for him it's not good to go to Ferrari now - worse car, far worse treatment.
Button - a real gentlemen. a fast one too.
Hamilton - fast and furios but nothing works for him for some reason....
Kartekian - need to get a big penalty. he've put himself in a way of other fast cars too many times during last two weekends. Even with Jensen - what's the point to fight feercely on the track with top 3 teams? this will only create dagerous situations...
Kartekian #2 - he's again faster than his team mate !!! (last time was at India GP)
Marussia - how the hell they stil in front of Caterham???? it's a fact - they have better performance then we notice.
Red Bulls - back to reality. i think they will kick back. but at least this year championships will not be so easy (for any of the teams)
Mercedes - what's going on???????
FI-Sahara - Di Resta smart, but Hulkenberg seems to be really good too. might be even faster than Di Resta.
Grojean - what's up with you boy?????
Being awfully generous to the driver isn't it?
In days of old, perhaps it was as high as that, but with all the data and telemetry you can analyse now, it just isn't that high.
But if Felipe is 0.5seconds slower, per lap, than Alonso, then the difference is actually only between 0.5 - 1%
I'll give you another 2% for how a driver manages what is going on in the race, but he does have a team of hundreds behind him helping.
I'd say that the driver contributes 3-4% of the package.
Don't get me wrong, it's still 3-4% you need
As for Karthikeyan, he didn't do anything wrong....at all.
No matter who is behind you, when it's for position, you aren't going to just let someone past. I'm not saying do a Schumi, but you don't just jump out of the way as if you were being lapped!!
And I am still yet to draw a conclusion over whether Sauber let Alonso win. Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, but the last one where Alonso, the outsider, won the race, the theory was proven a fact.
Forget about the mistake from SP, it was the pit call that gets me. Slicks were faster (everyone knew as Ricciardo had been on them for 3 laps/5 minutes). You are running close to the leader and are substantially quicker. He pits, so you cover that pit - if it rains again, you are both in the same....er...boat
They say that they were expecting rain...yadda yadda...right tyre at the right time. The time was right for slicks. His inters were pretty much slicks anyway.
It just doesn't add up and I cannot believe incompetence to be the cause of such a basic error.
In days of old, perhaps it was as high as that, but with all the data and telemetry you can analyse now, it just isn't that high.
But if Felipe is 0.5seconds slower, per lap, than Alonso, then the difference is actually only between 0.5 - 1%
I'll give you another 2% for how a driver manages what is going on in the race, but he does have a team of hundreds behind him helping.
I'd say that the driver contributes 3-4% of the package.
Don't get me wrong, it's still 3-4% you need

As for Karthikeyan, he didn't do anything wrong....at all.
No matter who is behind you, when it's for position, you aren't going to just let someone past. I'm not saying do a Schumi, but you don't just jump out of the way as if you were being lapped!!
And I am still yet to draw a conclusion over whether Sauber let Alonso win. Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, but the last one where Alonso, the outsider, won the race, the theory was proven a fact.
Forget about the mistake from SP, it was the pit call that gets me. Slicks were faster (everyone knew as Ricciardo had been on them for 3 laps/5 minutes). You are running close to the leader and are substantially quicker. He pits, so you cover that pit - if it rains again, you are both in the same....er...boat

They say that they were expecting rain...yadda yadda...right tyre at the right time. The time was right for slicks. His inters were pretty much slicks anyway.
It just doesn't add up and I cannot believe incompetence to be the cause of such a basic error.
And I am still yet to draw a conclusion over whether Sauber let Alonso win. Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, but the last one where Alonso, the outsider, won the race, the theory was proven a fact.
Forget about the mistake from SP, it was the pit call that gets me. Slicks were faster (everyone knew as Ricciardo had been on them for 3 laps/5 minutes). You are running close to the leader and are substantially quicker. He pits, so you cover that pit - if it rains again, you are both in the same....er...boat
They say that they were expecting rain...yadda yadda...right tyre at the right time. The time was right for slicks. His inters were pretty much slicks anyway.
It just doesn't add up and I cannot believe incompetence to be the cause of such a basic error.
Forget about the mistake from SP, it was the pit call that gets me. Slicks were faster (everyone knew as Ricciardo had been on them for 3 laps/5 minutes). You are running close to the leader and are substantially quicker. He pits, so you cover that pit - if it rains again, you are both in the same....er...boat

They say that they were expecting rain...yadda yadda...right tyre at the right time. The time was right for slicks. His inters were pretty much slicks anyway.
It just doesn't add up and I cannot believe incompetence to be the cause of such a basic error.
Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1332951110' post='21552173
As for Karthikeyan, he didn't do anything wrong....at all.
No matter who is behind you, when it's for position, you aren't going to just let someone past. I'm not saying do a Schumi, but you don't just jump out of the way as if you were being lapped!!
No matter who is behind you, when it's for position, you aren't going to just let someone past. I'm not saying do a Schumi, but you don't just jump out of the way as if you were being lapped!!
And I am still yet to draw a conclusion over whether Sauber let Alonso win. Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, but the last one where Alonso, the outsider, won the race, the theory was proven a fact.
Forget about the mistake from SP, it was the pit call that gets me. Slicks were faster (everyone knew as Ricciardo had been on them for 3 laps/5 minutes). You are running close to the leader and are substantially quicker. He pits, so you cover that pit - if it rains again, you are both in the same....er...boat
They say that they were expecting rain...yadda yadda...right tyre at the right time. The time was right for slicks. His inters were pretty much slicks anyway.
It just doesn't add up and I cannot believe incompetence to be the cause of such a basic error.
Forget about the mistake from SP, it was the pit call that gets me. Slicks were faster (everyone knew as Ricciardo had been on them for 3 laps/5 minutes). You are running close to the leader and are substantially quicker. He pits, so you cover that pit - if it rains again, you are both in the same....er...boat

They say that they were expecting rain...yadda yadda...right tyre at the right time. The time was right for slicks. His inters were pretty much slicks anyway.
It just doesn't add up and I cannot believe incompetence to be the cause of such a basic error.
Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1332951110' post='21552173
As for Karthikeyan, he didn't do anything wrong....at all.
No matter who is behind you, when it's for position, you aren't going to just let someone past. I'm not saying do a Schumi, but you don't just jump out of the way as if you were being lapped!!
No matter who is behind you, when it's for position, you aren't going to just let someone past. I'm not saying do a Schumi, but you don't just jump out of the way as if you were being lapped!!
yes but staying out on rain tyres on a track that's still damp is safer, and Sauber had good reason to play it safe.
So it was either extremely poor judgement on behalf of Sauber, or there are contractual obligations at play.
So it was either extremely poor judgement on behalf of Sauber, or there are contractual obligations at play.


