The Formula 1 Thread - 2013
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 70
From: Lincolnshire Wolds
Originally Posted by Heinz '57' timestamp='1366620743' post='22489701
But Alonso had KERS as well whereas a car being overtaken in the DRS zone is at a distinct disadvantage.The overtaker can use DRS and KERS but the one being taken can only use KERS.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 70
From: Lincolnshire Wolds
Originally Posted by Heinz '57' timestamp='1366620743' post='22489701
And DRS spoiled Alonsos race.
Stolen from sniff petrol:" Formula 1 isn’t about two well-matched cars relentlessly overtaking each other in a tense battle of nerve and skill; Formula 1 is about carefully looking after your tyres and waiting for people with laptops to calculate a strategy for pit stops and fuel conservation."
Never a truer word.....
Never a truer word.....
I fully agree with you about yesterdays race, it was exciting and posed some interesting questions for the rest of the season, but one swallow does not a summer make.
And also,the DRS on Alonsos car did stop working....in the open position. He drove a stirling race without it after his pitstops.
I could live with KERS but DRS is an abomination which gives an unfair advantage, as for 6 lap tyres....
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,112
Likes: 2
From: Banbury, Oxfordshire
How are they not on a level playing field with tyres?
Former Moderator
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 24,771
Likes: 311
From: Stanmore
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 70
From: Lincolnshire Wolds
Originally Posted by Heinz '57' timestamp='1366621883' post='22489716
But the point that I am making(pretty badly) is that they were on a level playing field. They BOTH had the choice of using KERS much as they had the choice of which gear to use or how much throttle to use. This does not apply to DRS or to a certain extent to tyres.
The rest have a choice of tyre to start on.You know this as well.
This is not a level playing field
My racing goes back some 50 years and I don't remember it being unexciting without all these limitations back in the day.But with age comes fading memory.
We are never going to agree on the F1 regs, but without this disagreement we would not be having a discussion.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 70
From: Lincolnshire Wolds
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
Former Moderator
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 24,771
Likes: 311
From: Stanmore
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1366623303' post='22489732
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 70
From: Lincolnshire Wolds
Originally Posted by Heinz '57' timestamp='1366623769' post='22489738
[quote name='lovegroova' timestamp='1366623303' post='22489732']
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
[/quote]
See edit
Former Moderator
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 24,771
Likes: 311
From: Stanmore
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1366624400' post='22489744
[quote name='Heinz '57' timestamp='1366623769' post='22489738']
[quote name='lovegroova' timestamp='1366623303' post='22489732']
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
[quote name='lovegroova' timestamp='1366623303' post='22489732']
Thing is, when a faster car is following a slower one, it's hurt by driving in the "dirty" air. DRS serves to negate this problem, so evens things up a bit.
And when you have two cars with similar performance, it allows for some good racing, as we saw with the McLarens.
[/quote]
See edit
[/quote]
Still a bit confused.
DRS didn't give one car an unfair advantage in the case of the McLarens. Evenly matched cars were able to get alongside each other and race, rather than the following car getting close and then having to back off and follow over 1 second behind because of the dirty air, as used to be the case. It was even worse when the following car was faster but ended up stuck behind with no chance of getting past.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 70
From: Lincolnshire Wolds
Overtaking using DRS requires no skill. How many times do you here commentators say "He is a sitting duck" or "He can do nothing about it"
One car having an artificial advantage over another does not make them evenly matched.
Why not do away with DRS and just use KERS to overtake? Oh, that would mean that both cars could use KERS and would be evenly matched.
And on the subject of tyres, what is wrong with control tyres? Works in other classes.
We are never going to agree so I will just have to be satisfied with admiring drives like Alonsos.
One car having an artificial advantage over another does not make them evenly matched.
Why not do away with DRS and just use KERS to overtake? Oh, that would mean that both cars could use KERS and would be evenly matched.
And on the subject of tyres, what is wrong with control tyres? Works in other classes.
We are never going to agree so I will just have to be satisfied with admiring drives like Alonsos.