The Formula 1 Thread - 2013
Originally Posted by Dembo' timestamp='1366740980' post='22493414
But I think the cars are running much closer than they were a few years ago. I'm not sure why it is; the regulations haven't changed all that much since 2009, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe it's just that the drivers have stopped making excuses and got on with it. 

Something vettel has always been good at.
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1366794719' post='22495259
I thought those were banned though (although we now have coanda effect exhausts).
Something vettel has always been good at.

Throughout the years F1 has frustrated me, it's a love hate thing ... when Ferrari were bossing everyone with their exclusive tyres during Schumacher' reign, to Williams bossing everyone for a while with Newey and now RBR also with Newey... I seem to have come to the conclusion to just sit back and watch it, but the frustration does rear its head from time to time, ah well, 3 weeks before the next race so can have some weekends to myself for a while
I love how people consistently advocate let them all get on with it and see who's the fastest.
That only works in a one make series. And even then one team will have the setup nailed while the others don't.
So the choice is to make it a spectator spectacle and rig the racing somewhat using DRS etc in the fairest means possible. Or watch a procession from start to finish race after race, like it was in the Schumi Ferrari days.
It's definitely better now.
BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.
That only works in a one make series. And even then one team will have the setup nailed while the others don't.
So the choice is to make it a spectator spectacle and rig the racing somewhat using DRS etc in the fairest means possible. Or watch a procession from start to finish race after race, like it was in the Schumi Ferrari days.
It's definitely better now.
BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.
BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.
Yep 
Throughout the years F1 has frustrated me, it's a love hate thing ... when Ferrari were bossing everyone with their exclusive tyres during Schumacher' reign, to Williams bossing everyone for a while with Newey and now RBR also with Newey... I seem to have come to the conclusion to just sit back and watch it, but the frustration does rear its head from time to time, ah well, 3 weeks before the next race so can have some weekends to myself for a while

Throughout the years F1 has frustrated me, it's a love hate thing ... when Ferrari were bossing everyone with their exclusive tyres during Schumacher' reign, to Williams bossing everyone for a while with Newey and now RBR also with Newey... I seem to have come to the conclusion to just sit back and watch it, but the frustration does rear its head from time to time, ah well, 3 weeks before the next race so can have some weekends to myself for a while

Originally Posted by Bassoctopus' timestamp='1366877865' post='22498124
BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.

Hamilton's gearbox stopped working then mysteriously started once he was at the back. Then when he was about to get into 5th (i think) right at the end and clinch the championship. He had a mystery pitstop.
As if an unofficial part of the punishment for cheating was to not allow Mc to win the championship.
Of course this might all be coincidence. Like when Villeneuve, Hill and Schumi all qualified within 0.000 of each other on title decider weekend.
Alonso didn't even try.
Hamilton's gearbox stopped working then mysteriously started once he was at the back. Then when he was about to get into 5th (i think) right at the end and clinch the championship. He had a mystery pitstop.
As if an unofficial part of the punishment for cheating was to not allow Mc to win the championship.
Hamilton's gearbox stopped working then mysteriously started once he was at the back. Then when he was about to get into 5th (i think) right at the end and clinch the championship. He had a mystery pitstop.
As if an unofficial part of the punishment for cheating was to not allow Mc to win the championship.
I don't think they ever explained Hamilton's mysterious gearbox problem. I think he lost his nerve; perhaps potentially winning the championship in his first year was all a bit much.
Either way, if McLaren had agreed to some secret deal to not win the championship, they wouldn't need the drivers to do it. It'd be very easy for the team to reduce the performance of the cars slightly.
I don't think they ever explained Hamilton's mysterious gearbox problem. I think he lost his nerve; perhaps potentially winning the championship in his first year was all a bit much.
Either way, if McLaren had agreed to some secret deal to not win the championship, they wouldn't need the drivers to do it. It'd be very easy for the team to reduce the performance of the cars slightly.
Either way, if McLaren had agreed to some secret deal to not win the championship, they wouldn't need the drivers to do it. It'd be very easy for the team to reduce the performance of the cars slightly.
Not that I really believe in any conspiracy theory, but isn't a mysterious gearbox failure a "very easy way for the team to reduce the performance of the car"?
Hamilton lost his nerve and was unable to pull on the levers?
Hamilton I think was desperate to win and too young to see the bigger picture. So they slowed him down the only way they could. Gearbox and when he'd worked his way back up, a mystery pitstop.
Put it this way, how many gearbox failures have you seen that mysteriously fix themselves after 5 laps?
Would it really have been fair for a team that had stolen their design from another team, to beat said other team to the world championship? Look at where Kimi came from to win that championship, from when McLaren were found out.
Lets not forget the Spaniard was involved in the cheating at McLaren and only blew the whistle when they started favouring Hamilton.
Put it this way, how many gearbox failures have you seen that mysteriously fix themselves after 5 laps?
Would it really have been fair for a team that had stolen their design from another team, to beat said other team to the world championship? Look at where Kimi came from to win that championship, from when McLaren were found out.
Lets not forget the Spaniard was involved in the cheating at McLaren and only blew the whistle when they started favouring Hamilton.






