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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 01:11 AM
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But I think the cars are running much closer than they were a few years ago. I'm not sure why it is; the regulations haven't changed all that much since 2009, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe it's just that the drivers have stopped making excuses and got on with it.
I suspect some of that is the designers are getting better at generating down force even in the dirty air. Exhaust blown diffusers being a prime example.
I thought those were banned though (although we now have coanda effect exhausts).
Old Apr 24, 2013 | 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
I thought those were banned though (although we now have coanda effect exhausts).
Yeah they banned the hot or cold blowing where even when the driver had his foot off the engine was still pumping away but now that just means the driver has to keep his foot in to get the effect.
Something vettel has always been good at.
Old Apr 24, 2013 | 02:08 PM
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I thought those were banned though (although we now have coanda effect exhausts).
Yeah they banned the hot or cold blowing where even when the driver had his foot off the engine was still pumping away but now that just means the driver has to keep his foot in to get the effect.
Something vettel has always been good at.
Yep

Throughout the years F1 has frustrated me, it's a love hate thing ... when Ferrari were bossing everyone with their exclusive tyres during Schumacher' reign, to Williams bossing everyone for a while with Newey and now RBR also with Newey... I seem to have come to the conclusion to just sit back and watch it, but the frustration does rear its head from time to time, ah well, 3 weeks before the next race so can have some weekends to myself for a while
Old Apr 25, 2013 | 12:17 AM
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I love how people consistently advocate let them all get on with it and see who's the fastest.

That only works in a one make series. And even then one team will have the setup nailed while the others don't.

So the choice is to make it a spectator spectacle and rig the racing somewhat using DRS etc in the fairest means possible. Or watch a procession from start to finish race after race, like it was in the Schumi Ferrari days.

It's definitely better now.

BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.
Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:23 AM
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BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.
Staged by who and how?
Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
Yep

Throughout the years F1 has frustrated me, it's a love hate thing ... when Ferrari were bossing everyone with their exclusive tyres during Schumacher' reign, to Williams bossing everyone for a while with Newey and now RBR also with Newey... I seem to have come to the conclusion to just sit back and watch it, but the frustration does rear its head from time to time, ah well, 3 weeks before the next race so can have some weekends to myself for a while
I like that the TV coverage will focus on where the racing is meaning that teams who shoot off into the distance get little coverage. Red Bull being a marketing platform can't be best pleased with their driver running his own race out front and getting far less coverage than the midfield teams scrapping over position.
Old Apr 25, 2013 | 09:52 PM
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BTW talking of rigging the racing. Does anyone still believe that both Alonso and Hamilton managed not to win that championship in Brazil when they were driving for McLaren in 2007. And the 20 points behind Ferrari of Kimi managed to win it. Coincidently in the same season that McLaren had been done for stealing Ferrari's designs. If ever there was a piece of dodgy staged racing that was it.
Staged by who and how?
Alonso didn't even try.

Hamilton's gearbox stopped working then mysteriously started once he was at the back. Then when he was about to get into 5th (i think) right at the end and clinch the championship. He had a mystery pitstop.

As if an unofficial part of the punishment for cheating was to not allow Mc to win the championship.

Of course this might all be coincidence. Like when Villeneuve, Hill and Schumi all qualified within 0.000 of each other on title decider weekend.

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Alonso didn't even try.

Hamilton's gearbox stopped working then mysteriously started once he was at the back. Then when he was about to get into 5th (i think) right at the end and clinch the championship. He had a mystery pitstop.

As if an unofficial part of the punishment for cheating was to not allow Mc to win the championship.
So Alonso, who was already leaving McLaren, and who had already publicly been given immunity for his part in the cheating scandal deliberately threw away a world championship? Doesn't sound likely.

I don't think they ever explained Hamilton's mysterious gearbox problem. I think he lost his nerve; perhaps potentially winning the championship in his first year was all a bit much.

Either way, if McLaren had agreed to some secret deal to not win the championship, they wouldn't need the drivers to do it. It'd be very easy for the team to reduce the performance of the cars slightly.
Old Apr 26, 2013 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
I don't think they ever explained Hamilton's mysterious gearbox problem. I think he lost his nerve; perhaps potentially winning the championship in his first year was all a bit much.

Either way, if McLaren had agreed to some secret deal to not win the championship, they wouldn't need the drivers to do it. It'd be very easy for the team to reduce the performance of the cars slightly.
Your anti-Hamilton specs are working well today.

Not that I really believe in any conspiracy theory, but isn't a mysterious gearbox failure a "very easy way for the team to reduce the performance of the car"?

Hamilton lost his nerve and was unable to pull on the levers?

Old Apr 26, 2013 | 01:24 AM
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Hamilton I think was desperate to win and too young to see the bigger picture. So they slowed him down the only way they could. Gearbox and when he'd worked his way back up, a mystery pitstop.

Put it this way, how many gearbox failures have you seen that mysteriously fix themselves after 5 laps?

Would it really have been fair for a team that had stolen their design from another team, to beat said other team to the world championship? Look at where Kimi came from to win that championship, from when McLaren were found out.

Lets not forget the Spaniard was involved in the cheating at McLaren and only blew the whistle when they started favouring Hamilton.



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