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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 03:42 AM
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the red bull/alonso battles have been very entertaining the last two races.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
Originally Posted by arsie' timestamp='1405938721' post='23252260
Telling analysis LG. It will be interesting if we can get a few more data points to be sure of a trend.

I want him to win fair and square but I think Hamilton's bleeting is a bit OTT. No one wants a safety car if avoidable and the Sauber was well off the racing line I thought and I don't think at that corner there were many if any overtaking maneuvers (which would have possibly needed room inside the racing line.) I'm not sure if the flags actually being waved were able to or did say 'no overtaking at this corner'?
Waved yellows is "slow down, prepare to stop, and no overtaking".

There was a fair bit of talk in the media about the empty seats, it was much worse on Saturday. Then again, with prices so high (presumably) and a generally better experience watching it on TV, it's hardly surprising, and especially so in Germany with no more MSC and Vettel doing poorly this season.
Yes the prices are extortionate. Silverstone weekend was >£600.

And watching it on TV is waaaay better (IMHO) as you get to see all the action in high definition and hear the commentary.

Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1405941309' post='23252287
There was a fair bit of talk in the media about the empty seats, it was much worse on Saturday. Then again, with prices so high (presumably) and a generally better experience watching it on TV, it's hardly surprising, and especially so in Germany with no more MSC and Vettel doing poorly this season.
I wonder if the German fans don't really see Rosberg as German?

I'd bet a lot of German and other central european fans chose Austria over Hockenheim this year, and that's probably a big part of the reason for the empty seats.
Who cares what nationality the drivers are - they all live in Tax havens anyway.

I think Hamilton is a c0ck because if he doesn't win, he has somehow been robbed by team strategy, pit crew, stewards, team mate, reliability.

And I put the failure rate at:
Rosberg 1.5 (1/2 Canada, 1 Silverstone
Hamilton 2 (1 Austrailia, 1/2 Canada, 1/2 Germany)

1/2 Canada because he had the same problem as Rosberg and Rosberg's car didn't break brakes

There are no conspiracy theories here because in no way does it pay for Merc to have them. Bottom line is they have won both Drivers' and Constructors' titles. Do you really think they care which one of their drivers wins?!

I want to see the close racing and as Soulcrew has said, the Vettel/Alonso battles have been great.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
.............. the Vettel/Alonso battles have been great.
Ricciardo / Alonso yesterday.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ianl
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.............. the Vettel/Alonso battles have been great.
Ricciardo / Alonso yesterday.
Yes that was good. I liked Vettel and Alonso going either side of Raikonnen.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Yes that was good. I liked Vettel and Alonso going either side of Raikonnen.
That was excellent - I am astonished it didn't end in tears!
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
I think Hamilton is a c0ck because if he doesn't win, he has somehow been robbed by team strategy, pit crew, stewards, team mate, reliability.

Racing driver excuses are legendary


Have a read of Button's comments: http://www.telegraph...-collision.html

One minute it's Hamiton's fault, then another it's not. Massa whingeing about Magnussen too...

I don't think it's true all the time from Hamilton - he knew he wouldn't have won yesterday and has accepted his responsibility for his qualifying mistakes at Austria and Silverstone.

Monaco was Rosberg's fault, really.

Let's face it, whenever things have been even, Hamilton has won every time.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1405941309' post='23252287
There was a fair bit of talk in the media about the empty seats, it was much worse on Saturday. Then again, with prices so high (presumably) and a generally better experience watching it on TV, it's hardly surprising, and especially so in Germany with no more MSC and Vettel doing poorly this season.
I wonder if the German fans don't really see Rosberg as German?

I'd bet a lot of German and other central european fans chose Austria over Hockenheim this year, and that's probably a big part of the reason for the empty seats.
I doubt they see him as German, he does have a German mum but a Finnish dad - I don't think Rosberg see's himself as German either, unless it suits him .... which of course it does considering as he does he works for a German team, it probably suits Mercedes to see him as German too.
Not a bad race actually and the tactics, either Mercedes or Hamilton's cost him second place he stopped 3 laps too early. Ricciardo is driving the pants off that Red Bull, and Vettle was lucky he didn't finish behind his team mate yet again due to the first lap incident that set Ricciardo way back. I think I have seen enough this season to prove my suspicions right at how 'average to good' Vettle is as a F1 driver, and that but for Newey's car and a ordinary team mate I suspect he would never have won a single title.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 07:55 AM
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s2k_nut, did you see pics of Hamilton's tyres after the race? They had gone off big time. That uneven front downforce due to his incident with Button caught up with him at the end I think. Bottas said he could see graining in Lewis' left front tyre and so he had him on right handers, which on a clockwise track was the majority of corners.

LG, true re 'even' but how many ways have there been so far to make it not even?

Still, the halfway point and lots more to come. Depends who's hungary-est
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by arsie
s2k_nut, did you see pics of Hamilton's tyres after the race? They had gone off big time. That uneven front downforce due to his incident with Button caught up with him at the end I think. Bottas said he could see graining in Lewis' left front tyre and so he had him on right handers, which on a clockwise track was the majority of corners.

LG, true re 'even' but how many ways have there been so far to make it not even?

Still, the halfway point and lots more to come. Depends who's hungary-est
To be fair, his tyres were much worse at the end because they pitted early gambling on a safety car following Sutil's accident. Instead of 13 laps, he had to do 17 or somesuch.

As for even - when they've qualified "normally" which is in the front two rows and have had no particular problems in the race.

These races are where this has happened, along with the winner.
Malaysia - Hamilton
Bahrain - Hamilton
China - Hamilton
Spain - Hamilton
Monaco - Rosberg
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 01:30 PM
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I dont think that Hamilton pitting early was a mistake.

The Sauber situation warranted a safety car, and it is reasonable that Merc and Hamilton would have expected one to be deployed. Hamilton was the first car to pass the stranded Sauber so had the most time of all cars to see if one would be deployed. Therefore I suggest it was not a not a rushed decision to pit him but a considered one. With him pitting (and a safety car) it would have put him on new tyres with a very likely chance of finishing first by passing Rosberg after the restart.

Even if (as happened) the safety car was not deployed Merc would have known that they would still likely catch Bottas and challenge for second. The only question was how quickly to close the gap such that he still had a tyre left to effect a pass and then would he be able to hold 2nd thereafter.

Pitting early did end up with LH finishing 3rd rather than 2nd but was still worth the try by his half of the garage with the upside prize being he would now be 3pts ahead of NR.
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