The Formula 1 Thread - 2014
Originally Posted by arsie' timestamp='1405938721' post='23252260
Telling analysis LG. It will be interesting if we can get a few more data points to be sure of a trend.
I want him to win fair and square but I think Hamilton's bleeting is a bit OTT. No one wants a safety car if avoidable and the Sauber was well off the racing line I thought and I don't think at that corner there were many if any overtaking maneuvers (which would have possibly needed room inside the racing line.) I'm not sure if the flags actually being waved were able to or did say 'no overtaking at this corner'?
I want him to win fair and square but I think Hamilton's bleeting is a bit OTT. No one wants a safety car if avoidable and the Sauber was well off the racing line I thought and I don't think at that corner there were many if any overtaking maneuvers (which would have possibly needed room inside the racing line.) I'm not sure if the flags actually being waved were able to or did say 'no overtaking at this corner'?
There was a fair bit of talk in the media about the empty seats, it was much worse on Saturday. Then again, with prices so high (presumably) and a generally better experience watching it on TV, it's hardly surprising, and especially so in Germany with no more MSC and Vettel doing poorly this season.
And watching it on TV is waaaay better (IMHO) as you get to see all the action in high definition and hear the commentary.
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1405941309' post='23252287
There was a fair bit of talk in the media about the empty seats, it was much worse on Saturday. Then again, with prices so high (presumably) and a generally better experience watching it on TV, it's hardly surprising, and especially so in Germany with no more MSC and Vettel doing poorly this season.
I'd bet a lot of German and other central european fans chose Austria over Hockenheim this year, and that's probably a big part of the reason for the empty seats.
I think Hamilton is a c0ck because if he doesn't win, he has somehow been robbed by team strategy, pit crew, stewards, team mate, reliability.
And I put the failure rate at:
Rosberg 1.5 (1/2 Canada, 1 Silverstone
Hamilton 2 (1 Austrailia, 1/2 Canada, 1/2 Germany)
1/2 Canada because he had the same problem as Rosberg and Rosberg's car didn't break brakes

There are no conspiracy theories here because in no way does it pay for Merc to have them. Bottom line is they have won both Drivers' and Constructors' titles. Do you really think they care which one of their drivers wins?!
I want to see the close racing and as Soulcrew has said, the Vettel/Alonso battles have been great.
Racing driver excuses are legendary

Have a read of Button's comments: http://www.telegraph...-collision.html
One minute it's Hamiton's fault, then another it's not. Massa whingeing about Magnussen too...
I don't think it's true all the time from Hamilton - he knew he wouldn't have won yesterday and has accepted his responsibility for his qualifying mistakes at Austria and Silverstone.
Monaco was Rosberg's fault, really.
Let's face it, whenever things have been even, Hamilton has won every time.
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1405941309' post='23252287
There was a fair bit of talk in the media about the empty seats, it was much worse on Saturday. Then again, with prices so high (presumably) and a generally better experience watching it on TV, it's hardly surprising, and especially so in Germany with no more MSC and Vettel doing poorly this season.
I'd bet a lot of German and other central european fans chose Austria over Hockenheim this year, and that's probably a big part of the reason for the empty seats.
Not a bad race actually and the tactics, either Mercedes or Hamilton's cost him second place he stopped 3 laps too early. Ricciardo is driving the pants off that Red Bull, and Vettle was lucky he didn't finish behind his team mate yet again due to the first lap incident that set Ricciardo way back. I think I have seen enough this season to prove my suspicions right at how 'average to good' Vettle is as a F1 driver, and that but for Newey's car and a ordinary team mate I suspect he would never have won a single title.
s2k_nut, did you see pics of Hamilton's tyres after the race? They had gone off big time. That uneven front downforce due to his incident with Button caught up with him at the end I think. Bottas said he could see graining in Lewis' left front tyre and so he had him on right handers, which on a clockwise track was the majority of corners.
LG, true re 'even' but how many ways have there been so far to make it not even?
Still, the halfway point and lots more to come. Depends who's hungary-est
LG, true re 'even' but how many ways have there been so far to make it not even?
Still, the halfway point and lots more to come. Depends who's hungary-est
s2k_nut, did you see pics of Hamilton's tyres after the race? They had gone off big time. That uneven front downforce due to his incident with Button caught up with him at the end I think. Bottas said he could see graining in Lewis' left front tyre and so he had him on right handers, which on a clockwise track was the majority of corners.
LG, true re 'even' but how many ways have there been so far to make it not even?
Still, the halfway point and lots more to come. Depends who's hungary-est
LG, true re 'even' but how many ways have there been so far to make it not even?
Still, the halfway point and lots more to come. Depends who's hungary-est

As for even - when they've qualified "normally" which is in the front two rows and have had no particular problems in the race.
These races are where this has happened, along with the winner.
Malaysia - Hamilton
Bahrain - Hamilton
China - Hamilton
Spain - Hamilton
Monaco - Rosberg
I dont think that Hamilton pitting early was a mistake.
The Sauber situation warranted a safety car, and it is reasonable that Merc and Hamilton would have expected one to be deployed. Hamilton was the first car to pass the stranded Sauber so had the most time of all cars to see if one would be deployed. Therefore I suggest it was not a not a rushed decision to pit him but a considered one. With him pitting (and a safety car) it would have put him on new tyres with a very likely chance of finishing first by passing Rosberg after the restart.
Even if (as happened) the safety car was not deployed Merc would have known that they would still likely catch Bottas and challenge for second. The only question was how quickly to close the gap such that he still had a tyre left to effect a pass and then would he be able to hold 2nd thereafter.
Pitting early did end up with LH finishing 3rd rather than 2nd but was still worth the try by his half of the garage with the upside prize being he would now be 3pts ahead of NR.
The Sauber situation warranted a safety car, and it is reasonable that Merc and Hamilton would have expected one to be deployed. Hamilton was the first car to pass the stranded Sauber so had the most time of all cars to see if one would be deployed. Therefore I suggest it was not a not a rushed decision to pit him but a considered one. With him pitting (and a safety car) it would have put him on new tyres with a very likely chance of finishing first by passing Rosberg after the restart.
Even if (as happened) the safety car was not deployed Merc would have known that they would still likely catch Bottas and challenge for second. The only question was how quickly to close the gap such that he still had a tyre left to effect a pass and then would he be able to hold 2nd thereafter.
Pitting early did end up with LH finishing 3rd rather than 2nd but was still worth the try by his half of the garage with the upside prize being he would now be 3pts ahead of NR.







