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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LTB
If that is the case then it will be very interesting to see if Merc impose any kind of punishment/sanctions on the driver.

One thing that is becoming more obvious is that Rosberg is not up there with the best when it comes to wheel to wheel racing.
I agree, it must be very hard to race a guy who is so naturally talented, and extremely fast ... I think it is beginning to affect Rosberg in a negative way. I think Merc need to impose a proper 'real' punishment that hurts Rosberg, perhaps a one race ban (run the reserve driver whoever that is ? instead for one race) for example.

I think regardless off action taken or not it is time that Hamilton keeps his data to his own side of the garage, no longer share his data as that will hurt Rosberg far more than Hamilton.

On another note, yet another failure for Vettle the wunderkind .... I have always maintained in F1 terms he is average at best and proving just how average he is without all his 'aides' being taken to the cleaners by his rookie team mate Ricciardo yet again.
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 10:54 AM
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He deserved to get booed...he robbed the fans of a good race .
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LTB
If that is the case then it will be very interesting to see if Merc impose any kind of punishment/sanctions on the driver.

One thing that is becoming more obvious is that Rosberg is not up there with the best when it comes to wheel to wheel racing.
And yet Hamilton clouted 3 cars on his run up the ranks in Germany. He certainly removed some of Kimi's aero. Nout said there, just hard charging Hamilton.

And if Magnussen got a penalty, (which I don't agree with), what's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O9YJddGHrE

or the Hungary maneuver...

As for the data, it benefits both drivers equally and Hamilton is ALWAYS asking where Nico is faster on the radio...just like Nico is always asking where Hamilton is faster.

According to the stories, Rosberg refused to give Hamilton any more room.

Going back to Spa 2 years ago Hamilton does the same thing to Grosjean and Grosjean gets a race ban.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBM4KpxfsPc

24 seconds in and contact occurs with Hamilton 1-2ft away from the line. He could have moved more but he didn't and Grosjean was infront. Same thing as today.
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 01:14 AM
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Getting back to yesterday's race it is also becoming obvious that we can't trust anything that comes out of Rosberg's mouth.

In the press conference he stated when questioned on the incident "I haven't seen it yet. It wouldn't be good of me if I would comment now. I need to look at it on TV and then I can comment afterwards". Quite at odds with what was said during the team meeting where he admitted to choosing not to avoid a collision. Seems like he knew exactly what happened, I mean how wouldn't he ?

And then he tars the British fans by claiming that they were responsible for the booing when it was a broad section of the crowd.

Going on Rosberg's character I was broadly supportive that there was nothing untoward at Monaco, but now I'm not sure.

The Merc management team come out of this badly, it already appears that Toto has gone into PR damage limitation mode. Red Bull and Ricciardo must be thinking they have a chance now.
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LTB
Getting back to yesterday's race it is also becoming obvious that we can't trust anything that comes out of Rosberg's mouth.
Hamilton is the biggest bullsh1ter of them all! He has a history of flat out lying to the FIA and he cries when he doesn't get his own way...because he's black apparently.

Originally Posted by LTB
In the press conference he stated when questioned on the incident "I haven't seen it yet. It wouldn't be good of me if I would comment now. I need to look at it on TV and then I can comment afterwards". Quite at odds with what was said during the team meeting where he admitted to choosing not to avoid a collision. Seems like he knew exactly what happened, I mean how wouldn't he ?
Every person in every sport uses this line. Football is perhaps the worst, but they all adopt the corporate line of 'I have no idea, I need to see it again, we'll talk about it later etc etc'

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And then he tars the British fans by claiming that they were responsible for the booing when it was a broad section of the crowd.
Who were probably British since this is a VERY popular race for brits. I have no proof at all, but lets be honest, he was probably right on this!

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Going on Rosberg's character I was broadly supportive that there was nothing untoward at Monaco, but now I'm not sure.
Really?! I watched that Monaco incident several times. You can see the panic in Rosberg's decisions after he goes down the road - hell he starts reversing and then comes to his senses! No, I don't think that was deliberate at all.

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The Merc management team come out of this badly, it already appears that Toto has gone into PR damage limitation mode. Red Bull and Ricciardo must be thinking they have a chance now.
Well what do they expect? They try team orders and that didn't work because, rightly or wrongly, Lewis ignored them. So now they don't do team orders and the cars touch - hardly a surprise other than it took this long for it to happen.

This should have been the official line 'Yep they touched and it cost us but we said we wouldn't do team orders and sometimes this is what happens when you let your drivers go racing.'

If that would have been the line, they'd have pulled it off, but since Hamilton came out of the meeting running his low IQ'ed mouth off 'He did it on purpose' they had to manage that situation instead.
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 02:24 AM
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I'm surprised they haven't taken each other out sooner tbh, and I agree this one should be a racing incident - yes, he turned in and kept turned in after contact to drag his wing into the rear tyre but it could have equally taken his front suspension out. No need for sanctions from the FIA or the team on this one.

It is good to see many more challengers for the podium now too - so it's going to be an interesting second half to the season.
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 02:25 AM
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Bernie is rubbing his hands in glee. A Merc domination on track driving viewing figures down. The tension off track driving them up again. Who needs double points.

But lewis is right to feel in the right. First rule is don't take out your teammate. If it was another team then fair game.
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 02:35 AM
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To be fair, it wasn't as blatant looking as previous "coming togethers" AKA Senna, Schumacher and the like. That line that Rosberg was looking for was a popular overtaking corner for some of the race, for those that dared. Although the door was closed and race line clearer Lewis's, it was a little naughty / careless to clip him.
In his defence, Rosberg is human..he wants to win, will no doubt make mistakes (intentional or not) and push boundaries to win the Championship. Alonso did it, Schuey did it, Senna did it.. it makes a champion in the end. Fascinating that there could be punishment, but I think there won't be any this time. I said to a friend of mine last year that Rosberg looks hungry for it next year. He has the attributes to be champion, has reliability and is destined to win 2014/15.
Great race from Riccardio, another champ in the making
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 02:36 AM
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If this was a racing incident Rosberg would have apologised immediately on the podium 'I am so sorry for clipping Lewis that was a foolish amatuer error' ... Rosberg was deliberate in his manouver he has as much admitted so, he was making a statement to Lewis he said so, he was angry at losing out his pole position from the start line and knew that Hamilton would show a clean pair of heels ...

Regardless, this will no doubt cause further friction within the team and build the drama for the rest of the season, bring it on
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Old Aug 25, 2014 | 04:14 AM
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Jackpot payback for Rosberg for being a bit naughty. He admits - in private - he could have avoided but chose not to. No team rules beforehand (though there will be now). All in a day's racing
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