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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 07:09 AM
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Reports coming in of Toto and Paddy being injured while riding bikes on a team building event with Lewis and Susie. Perhaps Lewis tried to pass where there was no room???

Maybe Maldonado was in town?
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Just seen an x ray of toto's arm.... No doubt now he is a terminator!!!
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BenRNBP
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1406123186' post='23255833
Article 34.2 of F1's sporting regulations states that: "It must be clear that any replacement part a team wishes to fit is similar in mass, inertia and function to the original."


Apparently Red Bull and Ferrari pondered a protest.
Well, his disk didn't explode again so can't have been similar in function - I think the other teams have grounds for protest
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I read that Hamilton's brakes of choice that broke were Brembo. Rosberg's, Carbon Industrie.

They both replaced to the latter for the race I believe.

No doubt LG will add any corrections
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 11:36 PM
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He also had a similar failure in Canada didn't he? if that's the case with disc manufacturers if I were him I'd think about switching my brake of choice. Weird though, I thought they'd have one supplier and both drivers would always be running the same equipment.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:47 AM
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My various readings have indicated the Hamilton prefers the feel of the Brembos, and Rosberg the CI. Loads of very geeky stuff on websites if you want to search.

According to this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115087 Hamilton changed front and rear, and Rosberg the fronts for the race.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
My various readings have indicated the Hamilton prefers the feel of the Brembos, and Rosberg the CI. Loads of very geeky stuff on websites if you want to search.
According to Ted there's three different suppliers and they quite often switch according to driver preference for different circuits. But the fact that the driver can tell a difference means the different disks aren't functionally equivalent, and therefore can't be changed under Parc Fermé conditions. At least that's the theory. Not that starting from the pit lane instead of 20th would have made any difference to Hamilton's race.

Pretty bad publicity for Brembo. Lots of other teams ran Brembo disks; there was really no reason to think putting another set of Brembo disks on Hamilton's car was a risk. It was clearly one dodgy disk.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1406191637' post='23257226
My various readings have indicated the Hamilton prefers the feel of the Brembos, and Rosberg the CI. Loads of very geeky stuff on websites if you want to search.
According to Ted there's three different suppliers and they quite often switch according to driver preference for different circuits. But the fact that the driver can tell a difference means the different disks aren't functionally equivalent, and therefore can't be changed under Parc Fermé conditions. At least that's the theory. Not that starting from the pit lane instead of 20th would have made any difference to Hamilton's race.

Pretty bad publicity for Brembo. Lots of other teams ran Brembo disks; there was really no reason to think putting another set of Brembo disks on Hamilton's car was a risk. It was clearly one dodgy disk.
As it says in the article, Mercedes did run Brembo discs on the rear, just a different version of them.

Of more concern to Mercedes was whether changing Rosbergs discs would have meant a start from the pit lane for him as well.

You can bet that had the brakes failed on a Mercedes car and it had taken out a Red Bull or a Ferrari, there would have been a great deal of F1 moaning about putting other drivers at risk.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 05:31 AM
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To be fair, Mercedes will only have changed them on safety grounds. They would have no need to change them for performance grounds risking the penalty, so it stands to reason it was a genuine safety concern.

Looking forward to Hungary. Everything suggests Hamilton should blitz this race having won there 2 times in a car that wasn't the fastest.

I can still remember the gulf he set from Button in '12 and despite his detractors Button has never been a slouch round there, but when Hamilton is in his zone nothing seems to touch him.

He just needs to get back in that zone for this weekend and hope the racing gods smile on him.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilipGB
He just needs to get back in that zone for this weekend and hope the racing gods smile on him.
What he needs is a clean Q3.

Current forecast is 100% chance of rain on Sunday.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1406191637' post='23257226
My various readings have indicated the Hamilton prefers the feel of the Brembos, and Rosberg the CI. Loads of very geeky stuff on websites if you want to search.
... the fact that the driver can tell a difference means the different disks aren't functionally equivalent, and therefore can't be changed under Parc Fermé conditions. At least that's the theory.
Function is not feel. The weight and spec may be identical but the feel is all to do with how driver uses them and 'feels' and the interaction with him/her. The function, weight, spec etc of brake pads, fluid and discs may be identical so would be ok to change without conflicting Parc Fermé rules imho. Especially since there was a crash caused as a result of a part failure.

Otherwise they would all have to drive with identical brakes, like tyres. Unthinkable?

But agree. Hamilton needs a clean Q3. Rain
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