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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by phil121081
the conspiracy theorists (me) are banging the drum again... and it seems Hamilton and Coulthard have 'concerns' that someone is spannering in the garage with an agenda.
That'll be the person responsible for spark plugs, brake disks and fuel lines presumably.

It's cobblers. If the theory is that a German team would rather a German won, then everybody seems to be forgetting that the team is based in Britain, most of the personnel are British, the Technical Director is British, the engines are built by what was Ilmor, a British company, so if there was any slight hint of favouritism based on nationality surely it would be Rosberg that would have something to fear.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ianl
I really struggle with these conspiracy stories - why the heck would Mercedes pay Hamilton a huge salary, and certainly more than Rosberg, only to sabotage his effort in quali and race.

Just make no sense whatsoever to me.
German car, German team, German driver vs. Black British driver. You don't have to dig too deep to see a potential conspiracy.
Hamilton proved to be the better driver on the day, I wonder what the result would have been if he had started on pole.
Why a huge salary, not bad for a whipping boy. I'm not saying there IS a conspiracy, just something smells bad and it's possible.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by richmc
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Which part of the car is German? Only really the Mercedes logo (and Williams, McLaren and Force India have those too).

I'm not saying there IS a conspiracy, just something smells bad and it's possible.
It isn't possible. If the Mercedes board were secretly ordering the British mechanics to loosen bolts on one car to favour Rosberg, it'd be a huge story that would leak out in no time.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 01:25 AM
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I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if there was...

The sport needs a new scandal

I'm certainly not suggesting any racial motivation here... but even Coulthard suggested on the BBC that something 'could' be going on in the garage, whether intentional or not, it does seem strange. Regardless of where the team is based, it's German money making it tick and I'm sure given the choise they'd prefer to see a German driver follow another (Seb) in the championship rather than a Brit.

If it were Mclaren, I would assume they would prefer a Brit to win... Alonso certainly felt that way a few years back so whats the difference here?

Perhaps Hamilton should ask to drive Rosberg's car at Spa.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 01:48 AM
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This is hilarious. If Mercedes wanted Rosberg to win, they'd have employed somebody rubbish to drive the other car.

Hamilton might have hinted at a conspiracy to ensure that he gets any sympathy etc from the team coming his way - mind games, nothing more.

Had Hamilton started on pole, he'd have suffered the same fate as Rosberg, Vettel & Bottas by being past the pitlane entrance when the first safety car was called, so, assuming he'd have been ahead of Rosberg at that point, he'd have finished 3rd (but might have got past Alonso for 2nd at best).
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 01:58 AM
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I'm just having a bit of a laugh with it.

From day one, Merc ambitions were to win and drivers and constructors, so they put the best drivers available in place to do that. Now it's a foregone conclusion that they will achieve their ambitions, they have the ability to chose which of their drivers wins. I am not saying they are doing that, but they have the ability.

The dodgy call for Rosberg to be let past won't help either

All I am saying is that I wouldn't be rocked off my chair if this came out either soon, or many years down the line.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
This is hilarious. If Mercedes wanted Rosberg to win, they'd have employed somebody rubbish to drive the other car.
I think one of Hamiltons greatest strengths isn't just his qualifying and racing, I think he is an invaluable tool for car development. Look at McLaren in '09. They built a car 2 seconds off the pace, and during the season they became very competitive. Fast forward to 13 and 14 and again McLaren built a dog of a car and they seem completely lost as to what to do. In '12 Button was lost mid season and was lapped by Hamilton in Canada I believe. Once they shared his data and setup to the other side of the garage he was back on race winning pace.

Mercedes were languishing in the mid-field for years, the first season they brought him in they looked in much better shape, and then this year they should really be in their own formula.

Rosberg has been incredibly competitive once he gets to labour over Hamiltons data.

Having Hamilton in a team isn't just the obvious benefit of his qualifying, racing and marketability. Plus it takes him away from competitors.

That being said I don't think the team are sabotaging him or want Rosberg to win any more. I think at worse for the sake of the show they want to at least have him and Rosberg fight so the occasional odd strategy choices that seem to bring Rosberg back to the front aren't because they want him to win, they just don't want Hamilton doing a Vettel and screaming off at the front with no cameras on him.

They certainly wouldn't risk killing him with bad brakes or fire.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 04:17 AM
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The completely low intellect of the people who think there is a conspiracy knows no bounds

Forget that the team is based in the UK with nearly all of it's staff British.

Let's look at Mercedes.

Here we have a German company that only sells cars in Germany....what....they are a massive multinational with markets across the globe? So they sell more cars outside of Germany than they do in Germany?! Next you'll be saying that they have gone public and trade their shares on stock markets around the world....THEY DO?!?! So this isn't the 1950s then is it?

Mercedes don't give a stuff what nationality the driver that wins is, just that they do win.

Infact, it's probably more financially beneficial to them that Hamilton win the WDC such is his popularity in the states.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 04:20 AM
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In addition, does anyone remember the 2004 season where Takuma Sato had 5 engine failures compared to Button's 1? No one spoke of conspiracy there.
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Old Jul 28, 2014 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
The completely low intellect of the people who think there is a conspiracy knows no bounds
It's only a bit of fun... I won't take it personally. Hamilton on the other hand...
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