The Formula 1 Thread - 2015
If we accept that putting a greater emphasis on mechanical rather then aero grip is the way to go, then I was referring to a significant reduction in surface area. What proportion of a current F1 car's surface area is taken up by all the fins, barge boards, and wing endplates and other wee aero bits? Halve the allowed surface area and give the drivers stickier tyres might make for more exciting racing ...
Originally Posted by Polemicist' timestamp='1432144354' post='23619360
I have banged-on for aeons about aero being the issue with F1.
Simply outlaw all wings, spoilers, diffusers et al and leave it all to the mechanical grip, the engine and the driver's skill.
Simply outlaw all wings, spoilers, diffusers et al and leave it all to the mechanical grip, the engine and the driver's skill.
You can't uninvent aerodynamics. But yes it's disappointing that with all the brains in F1 and a couple of major regulation changes they haven't managed to write the regulations in a way that allows cars to run as close as they could.
Anyone can drive fast in a straight line.
If the drivers don't like it/can't handle it (which I doubt) then they can go back to driving DPD vans.
And no one is talking of un-inventing aerodynamics, merely outlawing aerodynamic components fitted to F1 cars. It's no different from changing the rules apropos engine configurations, induction, KERS, whatever.
Originally Posted by Dembo' timestamp='1432206809' post='23620222
I don't see what limiting the surface area is meant to achieve. They've already got restrictions on the size and positions of the wings so effectively there already is a limit on surface area.
A lot of people are complaining the cars are slower than they were 10 years ago and yet other people are complaining that the cars are too fast and want to make them much slower.
Double-cobblers. The cars won't be 'slower' per se; with the same power they are more likely to be 'faster' than the current aero equipped cars on the straights, due to considerably lower aerodynamic drag. Sure, they will be slower in the corners, and under braking - but isn't that where the real driver skill comes in? The current importance and emphasis upon aero' is a major contributory factor to the lack of overtaking - and the devaluation of F1 as an exciting sport to watch. Throw into the mix non aero-assisted cornering and braking and there is the recipe for very exciting racing, and thus spectating.
Anyone can drive fast in a straight line.
The underneath still counts as surface area in my book.
If someone could scan Jim Clark's Lotus and calculate its total surface area, I think you'd be staggered at just much greater the area would be on a modern F1 car.
The fewer facets a car's body has, the smaller its surface area. I think my idea would produce some interesting designs with the body and probably suspension parts doing as much aero work as they could ...
If someone could scan Jim Clark's Lotus and calculate its total surface area, I think you'd be staggered at just much greater the area would be on a modern F1 car.
The fewer facets a car's body has, the smaller its surface area. I think my idea would produce some interesting designs with the body and probably suspension parts doing as much aero work as they could ...
Whilst we are on the subject of aero, how come the surface of the F1 cars aren't like shark skin - watching the documentary.. erm "Shark" on BBC last night they were talking about the skin being super slippery in water and air - how come this hasn't been adopted to F1 (or has it and I've missed it)
Whilst we are on the subject of aero, how come the surface of the F1 cars aren't like shark skin - watching the documentary.. erm "Shark" on BBC last night they were talking about the skin being super slippery in water and air - how come this hasn't been adopted to F1 (or has it and I've missed it)
Plus with the modern engines they need the sidepods for all the cooling.I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there are better ways. You could reduce the downforce from underneath by raising the minimum ride height which wouldn't change the surface area at all.
It must be possible to write the aerodynamic regulations in a way that keeps the downforce, and therefore speed, but with no penalty for running close in the corners to make the racing more exciting. Part of the problem is all the best engineers are working for the teams. Perhaps if Newey worked for the FIA...







