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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
Originally Posted by gaddafi' timestamp='1444375685' post='23770526
I am talking about the drive. My S2000 experience is similar over multiple cars. The big difference is that an S2000 engine with high mileage is a time bomb that will go off.
Again, I'm not so sure.

We had an engine fail that had done 195k miles. The only reason it failed was because of a sparkplug element that fell off (A new on at that - the plug had done about 500 miles).

Otherwise the engine was in perfect working order and pulled well too (I had the chance to give it a pasting around Curbrough).

The only thing it could have done with was new valve stem seals, maybe new rings, but these are serviceable parts on an F20C.

Interesting to hear your thoughts on the Porsche value though and that you think it's going north. Not saying you're wrong just never looked at a Boxster like that.
Not all Boxsters. Mine is an early S with 10,000 miles on the clock and every extra box checked. It's close to new condition and I stole it from under the nose of a dealer as part of a house clearance for well <£10K. It can only go up in value. There are plenty of nails about that won't but I'd still rather be driving an old Boxster than a Ford Escort or Capri.
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
Originally Posted by Nottm_S2' timestamp='1444329672' post='23769988
assuming you have deep pockets. in terms of cost of ownership i doubt they'd be close.

I say that because having owned my S since 2002 i've replaced a wheel bearing, other than that it's been service, consumables (discs and pads) and nowt else
You've been lucky (or done far fewer miles than me), or maybe I've been unlucky/done too many track days?

I've had the following fail/need replacing:
Radiator
Fuel tank (rusted)
Callipers
Suspension arms
Head gasket fail and head skim
Timing chain, guides and sprocket

There's a few thousand there.
To be expected with your mileage, but shows how well Honda engines are built. Perhaps other engines would have failed with track abuse.
Baz (detailer) has famously 210k on his Accord Type R. Same engine, 3rd gearbox synchro. And its an utter track slag with probably 50k on track alone, if not more.

The offerings of Boxster & Z4m (perhaps even the bonkers z3m & M Coupe) are always waiting in the wings for those that wonder what's different. They are certainly different packages, and the Boxster / Z4 attract the sports car driver that doesnt want the blare of VTEC, prefer a bit of cosseting & style.

The s2000 remains for those that just don't want to grow up. Tiresome in several ways, but really, its unmatched for its appeal. Thats why threads like this make it sometimes impossible for us to choose what car you want after, the brilliant s2000.
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi
May not have made myself clear. £45K Boxster versus £28K S2000 - yes you'd expect the Boxster to be better in most respects. I'm comparing oranges and oranges - say a £9K Boxster and £9K S2000.
A quick look on Autotrader confirms this. Then again, some of the prices being asked for pretty old S2000s are pretty ludicrous.

FWIW, you''re probably looking at an 03 Boxster S vs an 05 S2000 for around £9k.
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ade73
NSX is the next step from an S2000
In very many respects, the Cayster is a poor man's NSX; you have to suffer steel & McP struts and it somehow loses that alive magic, but it's a pretty good replica. Bit like the 86 is a good replica of the 944S!
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi
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they are apples and pears in terms of cost i think so i'd expect it to be objectively quicker etc, while similar in appearance i would expect a Boxster S to cost me a lot more to own, barring the speculation on value. it's not the same ballpark as comparing an S2 to an M3 in performance terms but it's the same game.

not that i dont like them, as you know i often ponder different cars but rarely actually bother to actually move . There's a porsche dealer on my way to the office and they have some very nice stuff.
May not have made myself clear. £45K Boxster versus £28K S2000 - yes you'd expect the Boxster to be better in most respects. I'm comparing oranges and oranges - say a £9K Boxster and £9K S2000.
i get that point but my view is that the S2 costs peanuts to run, i doubt the porsche is the same, £250 for a service.

LG - it's been on track 4 or 5 times, done 67k but has been garaged. My calipers have only ever needed cleaning and a new rubber seal
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 04:24 AM
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I can't take an ebay add for a £16k car seriously when the seller has put the images upside down... really?!

M6 is mega, but eyes wide open required.

For me, I think I would be looking at something with the merc V8, I can't get enough of that sound!

Or something with a warranty that will be just as fun and much lower risk.

or rent a golf and REVO it

Interestingly, why are you considering the M6 and not the the M3, that V8 is a masterpiece and I would gamble at more reliable than the 10? just curious, it's your money!
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
Originally Posted by gaddafi' timestamp='1444381720' post='23770568
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they are apples and pears in terms of cost i think so i'd expect it to be objectively quicker etc, while similar in appearance i would expect a Boxster S to cost me a lot more to own, barring the speculation on value. it's not the same ballpark as comparing an S2 to an M3 in performance terms but it's the same game.

not that i dont like them, as you know i often ponder different cars but rarely actually bother to actually move . There's a porsche dealer on my way to the office and they have some very nice stuff.
May not have made myself clear. £45K Boxster versus £28K S2000 - yes you'd expect the Boxster to be better in most respects. I'm comparing oranges and oranges - say a £9K Boxster and £9K S2000.
i get that point but my view is that the S2 costs peanuts to run, i doubt the porsche is the same, £250 for a service.

LG - it's been on track 4 or 5 times, done 67k but has been garaged. My calipers have only ever needed cleaning and a new rubber seal
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Yep, the Porsche will be more exensive to run. That doesn't alter the fact that it's the better car. My 350Z is more expensive to run than a Mazda MX5. It's also a better car than the Mazda. As long as the fruit you are comparing are broadly the same I can't think of an example where higher costs doesn't mean better car. How much better and whether the cost is worth it are of course different arguments. I had a Granturismo Maser - it was a better car than my STR (although marginally slower) but the difference wasn't worth the depreciation and running costs so I can see why people would prefer a Honda to a Porsche on the same basis.
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
LG - it's been on track 4 or 5 times, done 67k but has been garaged. My calipers have only ever needed cleaning and a new rubber seal
Mines been garaged, too but it''s been on track about 40 times, maybe more, and is now at 140k...
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 04:54 AM
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Yes, totally agree. That relates to the original question for me as if your budget is £20k do you really want something which might very easily hit you with a £5k bill or worse

Thats the issue with TVRs, an expensive Merc or indeed a once £60k+ M6 with potentially chocolate electrics

I vaguely recall many moons ago a car mag running a 996 turbo and spending stupendous amounts of cash keeping a relatively cheap car running. I'm fairly sure it matched the purchase price in the end.

Not exactly a weekend car then LG
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Old Oct 9, 2015 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
Not exactly a weekend car then LG
Actually, it is! (I walk/take the Tube to work)

Anyway, back on topic...
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