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Oh and I suggest to your VW line you should add ... "and have more money than sense".
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its all tongue in cheek as we'll probably end up in a Tiguan next. VWs are nice inside but still feel a bit low rent to me. Newish the ones i've had have been acceptably reliable.
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Funnily enough, in the hunt for the new Darby and Joan mobile, I found myself straying and up-sizing, idly looking at another (new) Forester and comparing with a Tiguan. Up 2 levels in price point! Finding a comfortable seat is all important, and being able to get into and out of it easily too.
Observations emerging from this hunt are that, once you get above a certain amount there isn't a lot of extra space inside (city cars v super mini v small car v SUV) but the external size increases as does the price. The later bloated incarnations of the MINI, winners in the ugly as **** stakes, are nothing like as pleasant on the eye from outside as the early models. Of course safety considerations and crash protection regs play a part. That said if you have a family inside you need every cc of extra space!
These days the FREDs and gizmos are fairly ubiquitous. In this day and age of globalisation and multiple platforms for the same engineering group e.g. VAG, the big differentiation is in the trim and perceived 'nice place to be'. Then of course there are the fashion trends such as the height and bulk of Chelsea tractors, which is quite silly when you look at double the cars on our never growing road network in the past forty years or so.
Observations emerging from this hunt are that, once you get above a certain amount there isn't a lot of extra space inside (city cars v super mini v small car v SUV) but the external size increases as does the price. The later bloated incarnations of the MINI, winners in the ugly as **** stakes, are nothing like as pleasant on the eye from outside as the early models. Of course safety considerations and crash protection regs play a part. That said if you have a family inside you need every cc of extra space!
These days the FREDs and gizmos are fairly ubiquitous. In this day and age of globalisation and multiple platforms for the same engineering group e.g. VAG, the big differentiation is in the trim and perceived 'nice place to be'. Then of course there are the fashion trends such as the height and bulk of Chelsea tractors, which is quite silly when you look at double the cars on our never growing road network in the past forty years or so.
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Funnily enough, in the hunt for the new Darby and Joan mobile, I found myself straying and up-sizing, idly looking at another (new) Forester and comparing with a Tiguan. Up 2 levels in price point! Finding a comfortable seat is all important, and being able to get into and out of it easily too.
These days the FREDs and gizmos are fairly ubiquitous. In this day and age of globalisation and multiple platforms for the same engineering group e.g. VAG, the big differentiation is in the trim and perceived 'nice place to be'. Then of course there are the fashion trends such as the height and bulk of Chelsea tractors, which is quite silly when you look at double the cars on our never growing road network in the past forty years or so.
These days the FREDs and gizmos are fairly ubiquitous. In this day and age of globalisation and multiple platforms for the same engineering group e.g. VAG, the big differentiation is in the trim and perceived 'nice place to be'. Then of course there are the fashion trends such as the height and bulk of Chelsea tractors, which is quite silly when you look at double the cars on our never growing road network in the past forty years or so.
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I liked the Toyota Aygo I was driving the other day.
Less overstyled than that CHRist-Almighty thing they also do.
Who needs A/C (though it was present) when you have those lovely old hinged rear quarter-windows, for proper, draught-free ventilation?
There is definitely some Peugeot in the chassis settings, so they were approved of; it rides acceptably well, and is fun and consistent to chuck about.
That DI-three pot was Diesel-rough under load, as you'd expect. But had a consistency of throttle response that makes a mockery of many engine mappings. Particularly that dreadful L13 in a Jazz.
It had a bizarre quasi-cruise control, where one must use the throttle pedal as a footrest.
But in a 2CV-sort of way, what else do you need, if you want a cheap, new smoker?
Less overstyled than that CHRist-Almighty thing they also do.
Who needs A/C (though it was present) when you have those lovely old hinged rear quarter-windows, for proper, draught-free ventilation?
There is definitely some Peugeot in the chassis settings, so they were approved of; it rides acceptably well, and is fun and consistent to chuck about.
That DI-three pot was Diesel-rough under load, as you'd expect. But had a consistency of throttle response that makes a mockery of many engine mappings. Particularly that dreadful L13 in a Jazz.
It had a bizarre quasi-cruise control, where one must use the throttle pedal as a footrest.
But in a 2CV-sort of way, what else do you need, if you want a cheap, new smoker?
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Hijacking this thread! but no diesel Nick. Typical attention to detail but the rear quarter window won't help stuck on the M11.
I like 1.2 petrol 90 whatsits and DSG from VAG.
Apart from the 'ran out of ideas' rear end VW Up! would have done but for the outstandingly bad elastic band auto.
Polo seems to be size wise where the Golf was fifteen years ago and feels big enough inside. Budget is £10-12k. My plan is to buy 1 to 2 years old and lose early years depreciation so, while carwow is fun LG, it won't be a new Golf or even a new Polo. This is drive it into the graves time (sorry Nick!!)
As with all these big car groups there are shadow brands (Seat, Skoda) with the same auto mechanical parts/base and reliability, differing only on trim levels - and price. Tax of £20 a year (it is £140 for new fossil fuel cars from April 2017) is unbelievable... same as Carol's Smart (which isn't a real car at all - see comment above re auto on the Up!)
Low running costs, overheads and depreciation with reliability. Just like my last car really
I like 1.2 petrol 90 whatsits and DSG from VAG.
Apart from the 'ran out of ideas' rear end VW Up! would have done but for the outstandingly bad elastic band auto.
Polo seems to be size wise where the Golf was fifteen years ago and feels big enough inside. Budget is £10-12k. My plan is to buy 1 to 2 years old and lose early years depreciation so, while carwow is fun LG, it won't be a new Golf or even a new Polo. This is drive it into the graves time (sorry Nick!!)
As with all these big car groups there are shadow brands (Seat, Skoda) with the same auto mechanical parts/base and reliability, differing only on trim levels - and price. Tax of £20 a year (it is £140 for new fossil fuel cars from April 2017) is unbelievable... same as Carol's Smart (which isn't a real car at all - see comment above re auto on the Up!)
Low running costs, overheads and depreciation with reliability. Just like my last car really
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Hijacking this thread! but no diesel Nick. Typical attention to detail but the rear quarter window won't help stuck on the M11.
I like 1.2 petrol 90 whatsits and DSG from VAG.
Apart from the 'ran out of ideas' rear end VW Up! would have done but for the outstandingly bad elastic band auto.
Polo seems to be size wise where the Golf was fifteen years ago and feels big enough inside. Budget is £10-12k. My plan is to buy 1 to 2 years old and lose early years depreciation so, while carwow is fun LG, it won't be a new Golf or even a new Polo. This is drive it into the graves time (sorry Nick!!)
As with all these big car groups there are shadow brands (Seat, Skoda) with the same auto mechanical parts/base and reliability, differing only on trim levels - and price. Tax of £20 a year (it is £140 for new fossil fuel cars from April 2017) is unbelievable... same as Carol's Smart (which isn't a real car at all - see comment above re auto on the Up!)
Low running costs, overheads and depreciation with reliability. Just like my last car really
I like 1.2 petrol 90 whatsits and DSG from VAG.
Apart from the 'ran out of ideas' rear end VW Up! would have done but for the outstandingly bad elastic band auto.
Polo seems to be size wise where the Golf was fifteen years ago and feels big enough inside. Budget is £10-12k. My plan is to buy 1 to 2 years old and lose early years depreciation so, while carwow is fun LG, it won't be a new Golf or even a new Polo. This is drive it into the graves time (sorry Nick!!)
As with all these big car groups there are shadow brands (Seat, Skoda) with the same auto mechanical parts/base and reliability, differing only on trim levels - and price. Tax of £20 a year (it is £140 for new fossil fuel cars from April 2017) is unbelievable... same as Carol's Smart (which isn't a real car at all - see comment above re auto on the Up!)
Low running costs, overheads and depreciation with reliability. Just like my last car really
Fortunately, A & B segent Diseasels should be extinct, pretty soon.
Up! seems fairly bullet-proof choice, too.
Problem is, a lot of used cars like that seem to have been thoroughly abused (studentmobiles?), whereas E-segments purchased new by old duffers are generally kept tidy.
