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Old Sep 24, 2020 | 05:43 PM
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I just love the assumption the S2000 driver was an innocent victim and not the cause of the accident. Short clip looks like the Honda cut off the other car or run it off the road and ended up T-boned and crashed. All I see is the S2000 at almost right angles in front of the other car at speed. The "bitch's" first obligation is to her baby, not the alpha-hotel who cut her off and tried to run her off the road. Not an assumption but one possibility based on the few seconds of video we have. For all we know this guy had just tried to harm her and she was fleeing from him in her car and he tried to stop her. Only thing is we'll never know the whole story. Yeah, the guy died. Whose fault is a guess.

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Old Sep 24, 2020 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck S
I just love the assumption the S2000 driver was an innocent victim and not the cause of the accident. Short clip looks like the Honda cut off the other car or run it off the road and ended up T-boned and crashed. All I see is the S2000 at almost right angles in front of the other car at speed. The "bitch's" first obligation is to her baby, not the alpha-hotel who cut her off and tried to run her off the road. Not an assumption but one possibility based on the few seconds of video we have. For all we know this guy had just tried to harm her and she was fleeing from him in her car and he tried to stop her. Only thing is we'll never know the whole story. Yeah, the guy died. Whose fault is a guess.

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You do make a legitimate point to not judge based on a very small glimpse into the scene. That being said, we're not crime scene investigators and just shooting the ish on a car forum. Occam's razor does come into play meaning that the most likely scenario is the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation of the video is that two people got into an ego fueled competition to occupy the same spot on a narrow road. Also very possible that the s2000 is the only bad actor here. It does appear that both are speeding and the s2000 is blatantly in the wrong by being in the opposite lane and cutting over into the other, pit maneuvering himself. Still a sad scenario and while I have some sympathy to people having odd reactions in crazy situations like this, the woman should not have fled the scene, especially if she was innocent. Fleeing the scene of an accident is a crime in most states as far as I know and she is blatantly guilty of that. I believe property damage, which did appear here, also has an impact on the severity of a fleeing the scene charge.

WTF is an alpha-hotel? I think I get it based on context clues but am still curious.
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Old Sep 24, 2020 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck S
I just love the assumption the S2000 driver was an innocent victim and not the cause of the accident. Short clip looks like the Honda cut off the other car or run it off the road and ended up T-boned and crashed. All I see is the S2000 at almost right angles in front of the other car at speed. The "bitch's" first obligation is to her baby, not the alpha-hotel who cut her off and tried to run her off the road. Not an assumption but one possibility based on the few seconds of video we have. For all we know this guy had just tried to harm her and she was fleeing from him in her car and he tried to stop her. Only thing is we'll never know the whole story. Yeah, the guy died. Whose fault is a guess.

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Unfortunately you are misconstruing fault for common decency and obligation. I don’t care whose fault it was you don’t run away on foot from an accident of this magnitude.

It’s absolutely asinine for you to even assume she’s protecting her baby. If you watched the video or commentary there were two children in the car so she leaves the older one? Also there was another adult in the car. It doesn’t really matter at all whose fault it was.

The fact is it’s illegal and a in most cases a felony to be involved in an accident and flee the scene. So yeah the alpha- hotel driving the ford should face serious criminal charges. I’m sure she will.
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Old Sep 25, 2020 | 05:30 AM
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No jury in the world will convict a mother "fleeing" a high violence accident to protect her baby. We only see a few seconds of video and any one of several guesses can be made some wildly different than others but all fitting the video. Just because the guy was driving a S2000 doesn't make him a good guy. Or a bad one.

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Old Sep 25, 2020 | 06:40 AM
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What was she protecting her baby from? The accident is over. If she needs medical attention, call 911. No need to book it and avoid police interaction for days.

To me, the running supports the idea that both drivers engaged in acts of foolish aggression before leading up to the climax. People without a guilty conscience usually don't run. I think a guilty conscience is much more likely than the s2000 guy being a psycho who wanted to physically harm a mother and her child which resulted in a car chase. Again, the most simple solution here is mutual road rage that climaxed as the s2000 tried to pass the other illegally and stupidly while the other driver tried to prevent being passed.
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Old Sep 27, 2020 | 12:36 PM
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Both were speeding. Period. End of story. Both had roles to play in this accident. He shouldn't have passed. If she saw him pass and did the "safe" thing and slowed down, it means she was going even faster before the clip. More than likely she sped up, because you know, pride. Her behavior at the end kinda solidifies that assertion.
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Old Sep 27, 2020 | 02:40 PM
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People flee the scene of accidents all the time for many reasons. These can be people who might have been under the influence of alcohol or drugs, people with outstanding arrest warrants, illegal aliens, people with stolen license plates or stolen vehicles, or people without licenses etc.

It is hard to say what role each driver played in that incident, but hat person who fled had something to hide.
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Old Sep 27, 2020 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck S
No jury in the world will convict a mother "fleeing" a high violence accident to protect her baby. We only see a few seconds of video and any one of several guesses can be made some wildly different than others but all fitting the video. Just because the guy was driving a S2000 doesn't make him a good guy. Or a bad one.

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You're reaching pretty good with this
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Old Sep 28, 2020 | 05:35 AM
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Point is any number of things could have happened. We see only a couple of seconds of video.

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