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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Willie Gee,Apr 6 2009, 07:02 AM
...As long as you weren't an American Indian.
woah, woah, woah

before we spin off into something else entirely. since the dawn of time, people and civicilization have been conquered by other civilizations. I am not supporting that fact but what are you getting at?

This is nothing new and happened even when cavemen had sticks and stones. How do you think different ethic varieties of people ever got produced? The very thing that makes us so ethnically diverse (which is so important to so many people) is spawned from the very thing you are protesting in that post.

I hate it when people choose to interject completely off topic statements in the middle of conversations about a subject.

"I am not making headway with the points I am making so i am going to introduce a complete different topic and base argument"


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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by xupthree60,Apr 6 2009, 06:03 AM
crime is higher when more powerful weapons are more easily available, it doesn't matter if its from the past present or future. guns especially make bad decisions end quickly and a lot less personal than actually having to stick a knife in someone.

its kinda like the same thing where all you conservatives scream about how you want family values back like the 50's and 60's.... family values my ass! what the hell kind of family values is teaching your kids that segregation and limiting woman's rights is ok? you just want children and wifes that are slaves... ok sorry for the off topic rant haha but yeah its the same thing. you guys get these crazy ideas in your head that if you do something that you guys want no one is going to abuse it or take advantage of it and everyone is going to live happily ever after. its crap.
if you let the oil companies run unregulated than guess what gas is $4 a gallon and oil companies set record profits.
if you let banks run unregulated the economy tanks.
and if you unregulate guns then gun violence and death skyrocket.

we tried it your way for 8 years and cuz of the resualts now you all try to say bush wasnt a republican. that didnts stop you guys from screaming his praises a minimum of 4 years ago. that didnt stop you from trying to stop inter city voting with banners telling peopel to vote on the wrong day. that didnt stop you from parking vans next to voter places with pictures of aborted fetus on the side of it. that didnt stop you from voting for the ass hole. im sorry im tired of all of your shit!


im sorry haha, i had a great day and night and morning and i come home and read this crap and im done with it, this is my last post in this tread. im done with this discussion.
WTF are you talking about?


you dont have enough comprehension of the current topic to actually continue in this discussion. I think it is a great decision by you to not pursue this thread topic as you clearly do not have a solid grasp on what we are talking about.

furthermore, you have ZERO idea of what a conservative holds dear and what is meant by a return to values in american society. I love how you interject historically marring issues like racism and womens rights and label them as values we hold dear and something we want a return to.

You sir have no business in an intellectual discussion. It is people like you that just throw around inflammatory comments trying to make your point. what you are actually doing is demonstrating your prowess in ignorance.

crime is higher when more powerful weapons are more easily available, it doesn't matter if its from the past present or future. guns especially make bad decisions end quickly and a lot less personal than actually having to stick a knife in someone.
This is you talking. This is your epiphany nothing else.

You seem like an intelligent and ANGRY mofo. why dont you try chanelling that energy into some education about what is happening around you? Take an unbiased look at what is going on and see if your common sense doesn't kick in a little.

I can't tell you how get your answers but what you posted is an attack on so many things I cant write a response that is going to leave you unscathed.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 05:29 AM
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[QUOTE=PrimoGen,Apr 6 2009, 08:26 AM] woah, woah, woah

before we spin off into something else entirely.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 05:36 AM
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Bill-you asked [QUOTE]Links to lower crime?

I believe crime was more rampant when more people were armed.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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feel free to rewrite history as you see fit Dave.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by zdave87,Apr 6 2009, 08:36 AM
Bill-you asked

I posted a link showing that crime was less in the Wild West than today.

The Native American issue was perpetrated by the US Gov't, not by individual citizens.
i agree. Essentially it was a WAR between the 'americans' and the native indians. With ANY war there are casualties. Within the general public it was MUCH different.


xupthree60. Thanks again for showing your ass. It is absolutely a comedy show when you open your mouth. You have the comprehension skills of a dead gnat. This is a debate MANY of us would LOVE to have in a realtime environment with sensible discussion (which you seem to despise). Setting up situations and having access to the internet to find supporting data at the same time may be the only answer for folks like you because MOST of what you say is regurgitated speculation. You truly do operate under a straw man approach ... but, even that isn't fair because the straw man actually represents a portion of the argument realistically (which you don't). This is also NOT a debate of 'left-wing/right-wing' politics. This is ONE very specific debate about an ability to protect ones self. If you had the ability to focus on that for more than a nano-second ... you may actually be pro-active. But, considering the way you've reacted ... no one will be near you even if they do have a similar idealism.


I'll even go back to the video YOU posted to see how 'smart' you are (actually i'm just looking for more ass-hat entertainment from you ).

If you were the guy in the convertible and pulled over into a parking lot with NO one around and those guys pulled the bats out ... what would you do? Would you drive extremely fast and wreckless to escape them and endanger other drivers? Try to outrun them on your feet? What about the girl in the car? If you had a bat would you fight back?

It's your post, you linked to the video and called it out as the BMW driver being stupid. Support your view with a REALISTIC answer ... if you can (don't worry ... we all know better ... but it sure is fun to watch you drivel )
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by zdave87,Apr 6 2009, 01:23 PM





and to think ... just about all of us grew up with something like that. Evil i tell you!
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Willie Gee,Apr 6 2009, 01:38 PM


you know you loved it


having any 'flashbacks' with a 'wascally wabbit'?? Amazing how many times Elmer shot and never hit Buggs! Elmer must have been a crazy redneck ... eh xupthree60?
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