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Originally Posted by Bandiscoot,Apr 4 2009, 06:23 AM
Maybe owning a Saturn and living in Winter Haven is risk-free?
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Originally Posted by Sartis,Apr 4 2009, 02:38 PM
I understand the concept of an armed citizen stopping a would-be attacker with a pistol. But in all honesty, do you guys feel that if everyone walked the streets with guns (even for the "right" reasons), that you would see a DECREASE in the number of murders and/or aggravated assault charges? Hard for me to believe.
Though Norway has far and away the highest firearm ownership per capita in Western Europe, it nevertheless has the lowest murder rate. Other nations with high firearms ownership and comparably low murder rates include Denmark, Greece, Switzerland, Germany and Austria. Holland has a 50 percent higher murder rate despite having the lowest rate of firearm ownership in Europe. And Luxembourg, despite its total handgun ban, has a murder rate that is nine times higher than countries such as Norway and Austria.
After decades of ever-stricter gun controls, England banned handguns and confiscated them from all permit holders in 1997. Yet by 2000, England had the industrialized world's highest violent crime rate -- twice that of the U.S. Despite the confiscation of law-abiding Englishmen's handguns
Eight decades of police-state enforcement of handgun prohibition have kept Russian gun ownership low, resulting in few gun murders. Yet Russia's murder rates have long been four times higher than those in the U.S. and 20 times higher than rates in countries such as Norway. Former Soviet nations like Lithuania also ban handguns and severely restrict other guns, yet have 10-15 times higher murder rates than European nations with much higher gun ownership.
A review of the European experience demonstrates more guns correlating with less murder. Nine European nations (including Germany, Austria, Denmark and Norway) have more than 15,000 guns per 100,000 members of the population. Nine others (including Luxembourg, Russia, and Hungary) have fewer than 5,000 guns per 100,000 members of the population. But the aggregate murder rates of these nine low-gun-ownership nations are three times higher than those of the nine high-gun-ownership nations.
A Review of International Evidence," Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, vol. 30, pages 651-694.)
Another good example is Kennesaw, Georgia where gun ownership was made mandatory. As a result crime rates plumeted by 74%. Murders rates are now almost zero (There were two murders by knifes a few years back).
After decades of ever-stricter gun controls, England banned handguns and confiscated them from all permit holders in 1997. Yet by 2000, England had the industrialized world's highest violent crime rate -- twice that of the U.S. Despite the confiscation of law-abiding Englishmen's handguns
Eight decades of police-state enforcement of handgun prohibition have kept Russian gun ownership low, resulting in few gun murders. Yet Russia's murder rates have long been four times higher than those in the U.S. and 20 times higher than rates in countries such as Norway. Former Soviet nations like Lithuania also ban handguns and severely restrict other guns, yet have 10-15 times higher murder rates than European nations with much higher gun ownership.
A review of the European experience demonstrates more guns correlating with less murder. Nine European nations (including Germany, Austria, Denmark and Norway) have more than 15,000 guns per 100,000 members of the population. Nine others (including Luxembourg, Russia, and Hungary) have fewer than 5,000 guns per 100,000 members of the population. But the aggregate murder rates of these nine low-gun-ownership nations are three times higher than those of the nine high-gun-ownership nations.
A Review of International Evidence," Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, vol. 30, pages 651-694.)
Another good example is Kennesaw, Georgia where gun ownership was made mandatory. As a result crime rates plumeted by 74%. Murders rates are now almost zero (There were two murders by knifes a few years back).
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Originally Posted by PrimoGen,Apr 4 2009, 06:17 PM
Would you enter into any kind of aggresive or violent situation with anyone you assumed was armed?
you may if you thought it was important enough but I bet in most cases you would not.
do you think would be robbers and rapists would be so bold if they figured 95% of the population was armed in a way to defend themselves??
it may happen if they are desperate enough but then you would most likely be armed and therefore able to defend yourself.
back when men AND women wore side arms of some kind (knives, swords, guns etc) crime was much less rampant. it still happened but the criminlas would prey more on the aristocracy and afflunet in inner cites and not so much on the "common" man because they knew they had a very high likelyhood of being thwarted (at the least) and possibly killed themselves.
so yes...crime and shootings would decrease. you may see a small spike while everyone figured this out but in the end....decrease for sure
you may if you thought it was important enough but I bet in most cases you would not.
do you think would be robbers and rapists would be so bold if they figured 95% of the population was armed in a way to defend themselves??
it may happen if they are desperate enough but then you would most likely be armed and therefore able to defend yourself.
back when men AND women wore side arms of some kind (knives, swords, guns etc) crime was much less rampant. it still happened but the criminlas would prey more on the aristocracy and afflunet in inner cites and not so much on the "common" man because they knew they had a very high likelyhood of being thwarted (at the least) and possibly killed themselves.
so yes...crime and shootings would decrease. you may see a small spike while everyone figured this out but in the end....decrease for sure
Links to lower crime?
I believe crime was more rampant when more people were armed. Historically anyway.
Prove me wrong, with proof not conjecture.
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Originally Posted by PrimoGen,Apr 5 2009, 05:44 AM
its 6:30 am and I am at the track
before we scour the internet looking for crime statitics from 300 years ago, why dont you type out a few logical reasons why you "believe" crime was higher back then.
your not basing your belief on hollywood movies are you? or the stories of a few notorious bad guys, right?
you do have logical reasoning in your head and can transfer it to this page like I did, right?
What would be your arguments for why crime would be higher?
would everybody be running around just shooting each other for miniscule reasons? really?
prove yourself right....
before we scour the internet looking for crime statitics from 300 years ago, why dont you type out a few logical reasons why you "believe" crime was higher back then.
your not basing your belief on hollywood movies are you? or the stories of a few notorious bad guys, right?
you do have logical reasoning in your head and can transfer it to this page like I did, right?
What would be your arguments for why crime would be higher?
would everybody be running around just shooting each other for miniscule reasons? really?
prove yourself right....
too many hollywood versions of what happened in the past.
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Originally Posted by Willie Gee,Apr 4 2009, 10:42 PM
Links to lower crime?
I believe crime was more rampant when more people were armed. Historically anyway.
Prove me wrong, with proof not conjecture.
five of the major cattle-towns (Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell) for the years from 1870 to 1885, only 45 homicides were reported - an average of 1.5 per-cattle trading season. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, 'nobody was killed in 1869 or 1870.'
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crime is higher when more powerful weapons are more easily available, it doesn't matter if its from the past present or future. guns especially make bad decisions end quickly and a lot less personal than actually having to stick a knife in someone.
its kinda like the same thing where all you conservatives scream about how you want family values back like the 50's and 60's.... family values my ass! what the hell kind of family values is teaching your kids that segregation and limiting woman's rights is ok? you just want children and wifes that are slaves... ok sorry for the off topic rant haha but yeah its the same thing. you guys get these crazy ideas in your head that if you do something that you guys want no one is going to abuse it or take advantage of it and everyone is going to live happily ever after. its crap.
if you let the oil companies run unregulated than guess what gas is $4 a gallon and oil companies set record profits.
if you let banks run unregulated the economy tanks.
and if you unregulate guns then gun violence and death skyrocket.
we tried it your way for 8 years and cuz of the resualts now you all try to say bush wasnt a republican. that didnts stop you guys from screaming his praises a minimum of 4 years ago. that didnt stop you from trying to stop inter city voting with banners telling peopel to vote on the wrong day. that didnt stop you from parking vans next to voter places with pictures of aborted fetus on the side of it. that didnt stop you from voting for the ass hole. im sorry im tired of all of your shit!
im sorry haha, i had a great day and night and morning and i come home and read this crap and im done with it, this is my last post in this tread. im done with this discussion.
its kinda like the same thing where all you conservatives scream about how you want family values back like the 50's and 60's.... family values my ass! what the hell kind of family values is teaching your kids that segregation and limiting woman's rights is ok? you just want children and wifes that are slaves... ok sorry for the off topic rant haha but yeah its the same thing. you guys get these crazy ideas in your head that if you do something that you guys want no one is going to abuse it or take advantage of it and everyone is going to live happily ever after. its crap.
if you let the oil companies run unregulated than guess what gas is $4 a gallon and oil companies set record profits.
if you let banks run unregulated the economy tanks.
and if you unregulate guns then gun violence and death skyrocket.
we tried it your way for 8 years and cuz of the resualts now you all try to say bush wasnt a republican. that didnts stop you guys from screaming his praises a minimum of 4 years ago. that didnt stop you from trying to stop inter city voting with banners telling peopel to vote on the wrong day. that didnt stop you from parking vans next to voter places with pictures of aborted fetus on the side of it. that didnt stop you from voting for the ass hole. im sorry im tired of all of your shit!
im sorry haha, i had a great day and night and morning and i come home and read this crap and im done with it, this is my last post in this tread. im done with this discussion.
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Originally Posted by zdave87,Apr 5 2009, 11:49 AM
