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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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the police dog was CUTE! looked like my doggie...i miss my doggie...
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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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i'd sick lilo on all those protesters. they'd be running up the coconut trees.

hey wait, are lilo and kea even allowed on the superferry?
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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Wasn't the Coast Guard supposed to enforce a 100 yard radius around the Superferry? From the videos I've seen they appear to have failed miserably at that on Kauai.
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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Well said kent.... Investors+ protesters= hawaii sucks! lol
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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell,Aug 31 2007, 07:39 PM
Wasn't the Coast Guard supposed to enforce a 100 yard radius around the Superferry? From the videos I've seen they appear to have failed miserably at that on Kauai.
I am not sure what experience you have with these situations, but when you have limited assetes and mobs of people in the water it becomes a vary complicated situation. Think about the size of Nawiliwili harbor, not too big is it, sort of hard to maintain a 100 yard security zone in a space that small. Also you have to keep in mind you don't want to suck up some protestor in the screws of a 3000hp boat, that would make for a bloody mess and some nasty headlines.




I think it is funny, there is always some one looking to get their rocks off on starting some commotion over something they will have little or no control over. What about container ships, tugs in tow and cruz ships. Why don't they fight them and protest their rightd to enter port. I wonder how many of these people have meth labs in their house. I am happy I am not back in Kauai because I guaranty I would have been there in the middle of it. There are the people that fight growth and there are the people that accept it.

It is like those damn abortion activast, kill the doctor for killing a un-born child, makes perfect since????
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Old Sep 1, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell,Aug 31 2007, 11:39 PM
Wasn't the Coast Guard supposed to enforce a 100 yard radius around the Superferry? From the videos I've seen they appear to have failed miserably at that on Kauai.
It goes a lot deeper than what you're seeing in the news. It's not about brute force. More than just enforce a 100 yd radius, the Coast Guard is to protect the safety of all the people in the area.

The Coast Guard successfully carried out the mission we were asked to, and will continue to do so until the situation is resolved.
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Old Sep 1, 2007 | 12:49 AM
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No doubt, Coast Guard did a great job.
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Old Sep 1, 2007 | 01:07 AM
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That f*ing blows. I thought Hawaii's people were peace keepers??? Understandably, they don't speak for the rest of Hawaii... like anywhere else you'll have these kind of scenarios. This whole thing has me really dissappointed . Members on base are being told they may not be able to make their trip this coming week. What a shame.
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Old Sep 1, 2007 | 01:18 AM
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I think the whole situation at Nawiliwili was a failure on several fronts as all parties involved did a poor job of assessing the situation and planning accordingly. The Coast Guard is there of course to protect the public and not cause undue harm to anyone, including protesters, that I can understand but I think it's fair to say they had a difficult time enforcing the 100 yard radius that they had agreed upon with State and Superferry officials. Whether they had the correct equipment and personnel to do this or whether it is even realistic to enforce this protective zone I don't know. As far as harbor security on land is concerned, the DOT or DLNR (not sure who has jurisdiction here as both agencies manage local ports) did not provide adequate personnel or establish policy guidelines to aid the Kauai Police department which appeared overwhelmed by the turnout.

Regardless, I'm hopeful that the situation is able to resolve itself in a peaceful manner as I personally feel this venture is a beneficial one having used the ferry system in Seattle.

P.S. If I do travel to Kauai I promise not to pick any opihi.
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Old Sep 1, 2007 | 01:45 AM
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As far as the local PD and DLNR, they have vary little jurisdiction in federal waters. In situations like this they will fall under the control of the Coast Guard due to the large jurisdictional power they are given. In most situations once on land the Jurisdiction turns over to state. The CG has over the past few years been able to gain some right on land with federal laws, but it mostly pretains to offenses that occure in the water before moving to land.
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