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Old May 26, 2009 | 05:55 AM
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yeah, you remove the oem covers and install the new pedals on top of the original backing plates

I didn't dig the CNC marks so I got the matte ones:

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Old May 26, 2009 | 06:05 AM
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Don't heel-toe...

Of course, I never get to practice either.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bighead,May 26 2009, 09:55 AM
yeah, you remove the oem covers and install the new pedals on top of the original backing plates

I didn't dig the CNC marks so I got the matte ones:

[IMG]http://www.autovationparts.com/store/media/images/SPHOS21M.JPG[IMG]
this is same pedal set I bought but never installed in my car. the finish was awesome!
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Old May 26, 2009 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bighead,May 26 2009, 09:55 AM
yeah, you remove the oem covers and install the new pedals on top of the original backing plates

I didn't dig the CNC marks so I got the matte ones:

I like this one too, although I still need more practice because I seem to blip the the throtle too early and by the time I release the clutch the revs are a bit low already.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 09:29 AM
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You have to practice heel & toe on the street as often as you can. Don't be afraid to blip the rpm way up there, you'll have more time to finish the shift. Keep in mind the blip is primarily for the clutch engagement, not for moving the shifter into gear.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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Yep, practice makes perfect for heel-toe technique. The S2000 is a very easy car to heel-toe, so you should be able to get quite proficient quickly.
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Old May 26, 2009 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by robrob,May 25 2009, 09:11 PM
It's almost impossible to threshold brake and blend into a proper trail braking corner using your thigh muscles which is what you're using with your heel off the floor.
Rob,
I have to disagree with you on this one. When you are harnessed in (ie. not using your feet to brace yourself), heel toeing with ball of foot on brake and heel on throttle (no part of foot touching floor) IS possible and becomes automatic with practice. The upper leg is largely immobile after the initial threshold braking is achieved with the calf muscle controlling most of the foot movement required for the throttle blip and follow-up brake pedal modulation.


A smooth transition to left foot braking (with simultaneous right foot throttle control) is also possible by rolling the left foot onto the brake pedal and rolling the ball of the right foot off the brake pedal.

All this is predicated on being harnessed in, if not most fine motor leg movements are screwed up if you need your legs to hold your body in place (with certainly is happening during threshold braking for example).
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Old May 26, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by robrob,May 26 2009, 09:29 AM
You have to practice heel & toe on the street as often as you can. Don't be afraid to blip the rpm way up there, you'll have more time to finish the shift. Keep in mind the blip is primarily for the clutch engagement, not for moving the shifter into gear.
the only thing that i keep forgetting with the s2000 is to blip the throttle a little longer going down to 2nd than 3rd or 4th. i prolly getting it right 8 out of 10 times. i actually practiced today on some on\off ramps
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Old May 26, 2009 | 05:23 PM
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I respectfully disagree Pete. The S's excellent ABS covers a lot of mistakes. You really need to have your heel on the floor to make the fine muscle movements required to threshold brake, lock a single tire, then release just enough brake to get it turning again. Many champion drivers describe curling their toes to add and release brake pedal pressure, you just can't do that with your leg in the air. You can definitely brake "good enough" with your leg in the air, but if you really want to learn to brake properly you have to index your heel.
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Old May 27, 2009 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by robrob,May 26 2009, 07:23 PM
I respectfully disagree Pete. The S's excellent ABS covers a lot of mistakes. You really need to have your heel on the floor to make the fine muscle movements required to threshold brake, lock a single tire, then release just enough brake to get it turning again. Many champion drivers describe curling their toes to add and release brake pedal pressure, you just can't do that with your leg in the air. You can definitely brake "good enough" with your leg in the air, but if you really want to learn to brake properly you have to index your heel.
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I am talking about this in my Miata. With no ABS. I think your theory is disagreeing with my practice.


Think about this: The threshold braking section of a turn is not the trail braking portion of a turn.


I have no problem locking, unlocking, locking (threshold) with my leg in the air.

Perhaps what helps me too is that I left foot modulate the brake while heel/toing with my right foot.
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