Any gun nuts here?
Originally Posted by Ubetit,Feb 25 2007, 11:08 AM
They are easy to clean and last forever.
My G19 has in the tens of thousands of rounds through it. REALLY, and is still running strong. Holes in the targets indicate the balance and grip angle of the G19 is best for me, so I am partial to Glock. The Glock is light and easy to maintain, as other posters have mentioned.
Shoot every pistol you can and carry what you shoot the best. Quality 9mm hollowpoints manufactured today, make a pretty impressive wound channel. More shots on target with a smaller caliber is better than fewer on target with a larger caliber, if your life depends on it.
Shoot every pistol you can and carry what you shoot the best. Quality 9mm hollowpoints manufactured today, make a pretty impressive wound channel. More shots on target with a smaller caliber is better than fewer on target with a larger caliber, if your life depends on it.
Originally Posted by ENTHRALLED,Feb 10 2007, 06:36 PM
aren't those the ones the FBI carries?
The FBI used to issue the Sig P226 until the late 1990's. There were many complaints about the 9mm round which lead the FBI to test and purchase a new sidearm.
After much debate and politics the Glock 23 in .40S&W was chosen (with the smaller frame G19 for female agents and males with smaller hands) Some agents with seniority were allowed to continue with the P226 but most of those have changed to the G23
The 1,000 or so agents with formal SWAT training (not HRT) carry a customized 1911 from Springfield Armory which you can purchase for about $2500.
(I shoot in a league with several FBI agents and many from other agencies) My suggestion to all after seeing them shoot a lot would be to never get into a gunfight with an Air Marshall.
Originally Posted by WFOS2k,Feb 26 2007, 04:29 PM
My experience with the g30 left rail road tracks in between my thumb and index finger dam Sub compacts.
A friend of mine's father is a police officer and has an extensive gun collection. He was telling me once about one of the main advantages to hollow-point 9mm vs. 45 ACP rounds in personal protection. Basically, the 9mm is going to lose a lot of its energy on impact, where a 45 ACP round has quite a bit more mass behind it, and can pass through a target, followed by walls, doors, ect fairly easily...
Just a thought... not sure how much real-life significance it has.
Just a thought... not sure how much real-life significance it has.
Originally Posted by Currahee474,Feb 25 2007, 02:58 AM
1911 are double stack. the compact 1911 version is single stack but tends to jam a lot.
Basically, the 9mm is going to lose a lot of its energy on impact, where a 45 ACP round has quite a bit more mass behind it, and can pass through a target, followed by walls, doors, ect fairly easily...
Generally the lighter, faster rounds such as the .357 sig, FN 5.7x28, and 7.62 Tokarev which have much higher muzzle velocities tend to penetrate deeper than the heavier slower rounds such as the .45. This is why the 5.7 and the Tok cartridges are able to defeat certain levels of body armor. The .357's ability to penetrate certain barriers such as car doors and windows is one of the main reason that the round has become popular with certainLaw Enforcement agencies.
The bottom line is that any round that is powerful enough to stop an attacker is also powerful enough to penetrate interior walls and ceilings and possibly injure someone else. It all comes down to basic firearm safety and being sure of your target and what could potentially be beyond it.
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As far as Glock Vs. ____, the debate can go on for eternity. IMO as long as your choosing between the more reputable manufacturers. (Glock, Sig, HK, Kimber, FN, etc.) it really comes down to personal preference and how each individual weapon fits your needs. That being said, for CCW, its awfully hard to beat the simplicity and die hard reliability of glock. (I generally carry a Sig 239 .40)
In my experience, penetration is needed to drop a target. The surface impact of the 9mm does little to stop an attacker instantly like the heavier 45 or the faster 357 rounds. After a bad shootout in 1988 (not sure on the year), the FBI did an extensive study on this and refused to use the 9mm ever again. If you do a search for "FBI miami shootout", you can see what I mean.



