BTW, compact 1911 FTW!!!!

 

Surface impact? Oh brother, not the 9mm debate again with the FBI shootout thing. You have plenty of experts on both side of this one.



Here's a quote from the FBI report though.


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As Platt crawled through the passenger side window, one of Dove

 

The 10mm is a great round from what I understand. However I am convinced of the ineffectiveness of the 9mm unless an exceptionaly hot round is used.

 

I thought the FBI was using Brownings in the 90's due to politics about American-made weapons...


Oh well...

 

So much information on this topic to compress to a single post, but I will try. By the way, this is my opinion, take it or leave it

 

Read this:
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob93.html

Also one of the best revolver bullets was the .357mag. Out of a 4" barrel and 125gr it was 1400-1450fps. Except most of those that carried it did so with much shorter barrels (semi-auto barrels include the chamber, so a 4" rev is not equal to a 4" semi-auto). When you observe guns that were actually carried it was more like 1250fps and 125gr. Or 9mm (124gr@1250fps +p). 9mm sucks...but .357mag is good? So much about guns is about perception and not facts.

9mm has a bad rep because they went to really light rounds that didn't penetrate or heavy rounds that wouldn't open. Ayoob says in another article that 115gr reg. or +p is good for shorter barrels (115gr federal is a lawman classic 9mm round). If you have a full sized pistol, 124gr better IMHO. My 115gr are 1250fps out of my shorter barrel.

 

gunderwood, very good, informative post. Thans for taking the time to write that up for us

 

No problem. I don't have all the answers, but I have spent a lot of time reading. You have to go with that you like, but do so only once you have a logical reason for doing so.

Chuck Hawks is also very good. Hunter.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm

 

Gunderwood, that's some great info. It's really going to make me look harder at what I keep in my weapon for self-defense. Of course I just pump through Winchester for the range, but I like to keep some more effective ammo in the clips when it's stored away at home.

Obviously I've never been in a situation where I needed to fire upon someone to stop an attack, but just out of curiosity... most of your post talks about creating enough blood loss to stop an intruder. Doesn

 

The problem with pain is it is relative. Some people can tolerate an immense amount of pain and still perform. Mix in a psychotic personality or someone on drugs and you don't know what pain they'll tolerate. What a human body can't tolerate is a huge drop in blood pressure and volume.