awesome

 

Sorry that I overgeneralized in my first post, but if you would read instead of assuming I clarified in my second one that I agree they aren't all inherently bad. Pit bulls TEND to be more aggressive than many other breeds and TEND to be trained that way more than other dogs. I've had many dogs through my life and none of them have required extensive training to know not to bite people hard enough to draw blood. Can you train a pit bull to not hurt people? Yes. Can you train a tiger/bear/whatever to do the same? Yes, but that doesn't mean that any of those animals are inherently friendly or less of a threat to police officer that doesn't know how they're trained.

And I know its difficult for you to read my posts without assuming that you know everything, but my friend actually had his pit for over a year and even took it to training classes. Maybe he tried to train it wrong or whatever but the point is even with quite a bit of time and patience he was unable to keep his dog from biting his kids. On a side note it took me a week to train my dog that any kind of biting is unacceptable and she has never even bitten anyone, even playfully, since. Maybe this is hard for you to understand but at a certain point when the animal is aggressive towards your 2-4 year old children then the responsible thing IS to get rid of it so they don't get hurt. He didn't give it to a shelter he gave it to someone that wanted it so stop assuming that he just dumped it.

My point isn't about the dog, it is that if you're a cop busting in to someone's house and you see a dog that is known to often be bred and trained to be aggressive you're not going to wait for it to bite you, when he starts coming at you in what seems to be an aggressive manner he needs to be put down. Again, we can't see it but I can see how the cops could have made a mistake or needed to do what they did. I highly doubt a cop would just shoot someone's pet for fun, especially with other cops there watching.

 

Source: http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of...aid-on-missouri





Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family



Radley Balko | May 5, 2010



In February, I wrote the following about a drug raid in Missouri:



SWAT team breaks into home, fires seven rounds at family's pit bull and corgi (?!) as a seven-year-old looks on.



They found a "small amount" of marijuana, enough for a misdemeanor charge. The parents were then charged with child endangerment.



So smoking pot = "child endangerment." Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone's safety.



Just so we're clear.



Now there's video, which you can watch below. It's horrifying, but I'd urge you to watch it, and to send it to the drug warriors in your life. This is the blunt-end result of all the war imagery and militaristic rhetoric politicians have been spewing for the last 30 years—cops dressed like soldiers, barreling through the front door middle of the night, slaughtering the family pets, filling the house with bullets in the presence of children, then having the audacity to charge the parents with endangering their own kid. There are 100-150 of these raids every day in America, the vast, vast majority like this one, to serve a warrant for a consensual crime.



But they did prevent Jonathan Whitworth from smoking the pot they found in his possession. So I guess this mission was a success.



I've exchanged emails with the mother of the family, who was in the home at the time of the raid. I'm waiting on her permission to publish her account of what happened

 

That pug is primed to become a meme.

 

R.I.P. Maurice Clemmons

 

I have two pits, never had to train them not to hurt anyone tho They did that all on their own.

 

I'm not saying this is impossible. I would have no problem owning a pit myself, but from my personal experience every pit I have been around has been more aggressive than most other dogs even though they aren't in a harsh environment, and i have several friends that work for veterinary offices that say the same thing. If you randomly pick 100 pits and 100 labs or whatever "tame breed" and interacted with them all, I'd put my money on the fact that more of the pits would be more aggressive than a lot of other breeds. Some breeds are just more active/aggressive/lazy whatever due to breeding.

Again, my point wasn't so much about the nature of the dogs but that the police still don't know how this dog is trained or it's temperament so if it is coming at them they shouldn't be condemned for defending themselves.

 

I am sorry but i don't agree at all. I have two pits myself, one being protection trained and when we used to bring him over to my Fiancees parents house their yellow lab used to annoy the shit out of him and he would do nothing. Any dog can be taught to be aggressive. If you have some time look up bite statistics for the US and look how many dogs are above pits. Don't know off hand but i am pretty sure labs are above pits.

 

a small word with a big definition! but i guess i better make the other pug my avatar before someone else!

 

[QUOTE=Chris@NLM,May 6 2010, 11:58 AM] I am sorry but i don't agree at all. I have two pits myself, one being protection trained and when we used to bring him over to my Fiancees parents house their