PDX S2000. Agreed, the pct is critical, but a lil clomid considering what stuff ur taking should be sufficient. That nitro-tech is garbage, and anyting else blended, hey, if it didnt work for you im sorry, but thats the protein im drinking, and cant say anything bad about it, and know quite a few guys using the same, there results speak for themselves. We all have diff. opinions though.

 

If you did the reasearch on NitroTech, you would agree. The only reason you feel like it works, is that you are getting a massive sugar rush. Some things regarding supplements ARE opinion based, but others are medical facts.

 

You could be correct. Regardless of that being said, i dont get no sugar rush after i drink that stuff. It could be cause im naturally hyper, but the way i feel before i take it is the same way i feel when im done. I was actually taking Isopure before hand, and switched it up to see how it went. So far, like i stated, no complaints.

 

I can vouch for creatine as well, works like a charm

 

Works until you stop. Creatine doesn't build muscle, you only look and feel bigger (basically fills your muscle cells with water/creatine) but once the creatine wears off you haven't gained any actual strength. If you're benching 200 and start taking creatine and find yourself up to 230, once you stop taking creatine you go back to 200. That is not how you build strength. If you're simply working out to be on a competition, then creatine is good to start a few weeks before your competition because it will bloat out your muscles and help you push further so you look good for the show, but afterwards you're back to step one. If you're working out to get healthier and stronger, do not waste your money.

Work out, tear up those muscle fibers, give them some protein and TIME to rebuild, and your body will make sure next time you can lift 5 lbs more. Why do you want to rush drastic changes in your body? Do it slow and as close to naturally as possible, and you won't be having any negatives later on (decreased strength, increased fat, etc.). If you feel like you aren't getting enough protein during your daily diet (for example, if it takes 4-5 days for you to feel good enough to go back to the gym) then have a protein shake to give your muscles a hand.

Anything else is just added stress on your body. Take it easy, take it slow, no creatine or steroids, and you'll notice with patience how much you improve. I used to be fat and weak and now I can beat all my friends in arm wrestling

There's a lot of blabber and random talking when the subject is bodybuilding. Fact is, you're not working on a machine, you're working on a living organism that reacts to specific changes: your body. Your muscle cells have a very simple way of tearing and rebuilding, and you don't need to load up your body with "tryTHIS" and "DOthat". Take your time, let your body slowly adapt to tearing and improving, and the effects will be better and last longer. If you rush it, a few years down the road you'll be a mess.

 

I don't get this...


Like I said, if you're preparing for a competition (show), take creatine to make yourself LOOK better. If you're just working on improving your strength, stick with protein and a supportive diet. You eat more supplements in a day than you know, it's all just a money pit. All the scientific names and the creative lures they use is pure BS as NFR stated. Take your protein, keep yourself eating right, if you need multivitamins, take those too. Basically, don't over stress your body!

 

I respectfully disagree... creatine can be beneficial simply by allowing the body to not fatique as quickly, allowing weak minded people like myself put more work in, thereby building more muscle.

I'm sure there's some study you can find to prove me technically wrong, but the fact remains, if it helps me mentally even, to do more and push harder... then I'll stick with it. Plus the noticeable pump you get is great mirror motivation. I have never experienced a strength loss when cycling off of creatine... ???

If you're talking about taking things super slow, going to the gym once every 4 or 5 days and such... I agree, creatine probably won't do a damn thing for ya... at that point don't expect any gains at all... it takes a lot of hard work unless you're a genetic mutant... work out like you want results tomorrow, and you might see them in a month. I definitely don't subscribe to the "take a power yoga class once a week at 24hr fitness" plan.

But like you said, we're not machines, everybody's body responds differently.

 

[QUOTE=NFRs2000NYC,Jun 29 2007, 12:31 PM] You never mix Whey with milk. You are defeating the purpose of whey.

 

There is a simple reason why you never mix why with milk. Whey is a protein that is QUICK absorbing, exactly the type you want after your workout. This is why you want a whey shake, rather than a steak after a workout. Your muscles are at their most receptive about 1 hour post workout and post their lactic acid attack. Milk, is chock full of casein, which is also know as PM protein. It is EXTREMELY slow digesting, an average of 6 hours. Mixing Casein with whey substantially slows down whey absorption, thus not giving you the proper effect and use.

(The above part of the post was a general statement for others, as I know you know this.)

As for insuling spiking, that is not always a good thing. Insulin spiking can cause your body to think it needs more glucose than it actually does. Moreover, there are plenty of other things than can spike your insulin that don't have casein in them. After a good workout, your body is on a feeding frenzy for glucose and protein. Insulin spiking is actually a big reason why you are not supposed to go crazy with caffeine when bulking up, as caffeine spikes insulin.

I do get your point, and I do agree with 99% of it. However, like I said, as your body is on a glucose feeding spree, it automatically spikes your insulin as it prepares to intake high levels of glucose (as you should provide it) so Its not something you should be very worried about. However, in the world of supplements, what you and I are discussing is basically just splitting hairs. There are so many mistakes people make, that even if they did either one of our ways, they would be much better off.