Intersting Debate
"Yes," is the only logical answer. To deny otherwise would be like saying we can never make a better tool because we can only use the tools we have, so that they can never be better.
The human mind is certainly capable of imagining a device better than itself, and so it will eventually come to pass.
Besides, my computer is already smarter than most of the people I know, and at least half of the people that post on Honda tech.
The human mind is certainly capable of imagining a device better than itself, and so it will eventually come to pass.
Besides, my computer is already smarter than most of the people I know, and at least half of the people that post on Honda tech.
I'll say yes. Probably after computer programs more commonly mimic neural networks (they learn) using massively parallel hardware. I say it'll happen in the next 25 to 50 years. Skynet indeed.
Originally Posted by 8D_In_Trunk,Mar 19 2009, 03:18 PM
1. Thanks for reading the first half of the sentence, and not the second half.
2. Thanks for restating my point: that is, human innovation is less mechanical and methodical (due to accidents and, for a lack of better word, serendipity) than the methodical and iterative processes of a computer.
You may have defeated my entire point by restating my points.
2. Thanks for restating my point: that is, human innovation is less mechanical and methodical (due to accidents and, for a lack of better word, serendipity) than the methodical and iterative processes of a computer.
You may have defeated my entire point by restating my points.

Originally Posted by Elistan,Mar 19 2009, 09:50 PM
(Unless you want to introduce religion and the concept of a "soul" into the discussion, which is beneath the scope of this thread I think.)
lol sorry I had to reply to your opinion with my own opinion.
Computers are faster than humans. Does faster=smarter?
Originally Posted by wizard8100,Mar 20 2009, 04:57 AM
Besides, my computer is already smarter than most of the people I know, and at least half of the people that post on Honda tech.


Your argument is contingent upon the notion that our dreams, whims, and aspirations are inherently perfect and pre-calculated. . .
Originally Posted by Elistan,Mar 19 2009, 06:37 PM
A computer program, one sufficiently complex and advanced, is entirely capable of embodying the exact same mistakes, creativity, innovation, intuition, serendipity, etc., that a human is capable of.
The real question is whether we humans are capable of producing such a program, not whether a program could theoretically be that - it absolutely can.
The real question is whether we humans are capable of producing such a program, not whether a program could theoretically be that - it absolutely can.
I'm apparently generating unreadable garbage for output. . . or so the results would indicate. . .
Originally Posted by 8D_In_Trunk,Mar 20 2009, 01:35 PM
I already said that too. . .
I'm apparently generating unreadable garbage for output. . . or so the results would indicate. . .
I'm apparently generating unreadable garbage for output. . . or so the results would indicate. . .
You guys ever wonder if all thats already happened? and maybe were all in a computer program and in reality were all plugged into the machines acting as batteries? and we just need somone to come along whos awesome at kung fu to save us all?
Thats called thinkin outside the box gentlemen.
Thats called thinkin outside the box gentlemen.
i say yes. it's only a matter of time until we get computers to learn and "think" on their own. just like other people said, the more we understand the human brain the closer we will get.
AND THEN THE MACHINES TAKE OVER!!!!!
AND THEN THE MACHINES TAKE OVER!!!!!
Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Mar 19 2009, 03:01 AM
Do you think a computer can ever be as "smart" as a human brain?
Before you answer, consider both sides of the argument....
Side A - A computer can make greater calculations, faster, more accurately than a human brain.
Side B - Since a computer, regardless of how advanced, still needs to be built/programmed by a human, so no, it can't be "smarter" than a human brain.
Before you answer, consider both sides of the argument....
Side A - A computer can make greater calculations, faster, more accurately than a human brain.
Side B - Since a computer, regardless of how advanced, still needs to be built/programmed by a human, so no, it can't be "smarter" than a human brain.
First, what if you took a human brain and replaced one neuron with the equivalent electrical component. You still have a fully functioning human brain...except it has one small electrical component in it. Now replace another. And another. A few more. In the end you wind up with a fully functioning "human brain" or is it a computer? Was it more powerful before or after you started...or is there even a difference?
Second, I am going to have to disagree with your second point. There is a type of programming going on were solutions are 'evolved.' Almost the same as natural evolution, small changes are made to hundreds of 'off spring' and then evaluated. The strongest selected for and then evolved again. Here is a very small example of software evolving a 'car' to work on a set terrain:
http://www.wreck.devisland.net/ga/
If you dig deeper into this type of programming, you will find some very interesting stuff. Sometimes programs are 'evolved' that will reproduce the original function of the software...but at a fraction of the size and much more efficient. The funny thing is, some of the resulting programs are so funky and unlike any way people are use to programming that it doesn't make sense anymore. But it works. So to say computers can't build or program them selves seems false. It's only a matter of time before they do this...even if it's only taking a starting point, mutating it slightly a billion times and figuring out which worked the best. Computer technology is growing so rapidly, it's easy to think of something fast enough to do this billions of times a second and find answers to things we never even thought to ask...






