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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tamparoadster,Mar 21 2009, 10:13 PM
Thats called thinkin outside the box gentlemen.
Funny, I was thinking it was a rudimentary attempt at Descartes, or plagiarism.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:29 AM
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Think of the US Constitution as a computer designed to eliminate/reduce subjectivity from law.

No matter how carefully it was written (or how carefully code is written) there still needs to be a person to step in and say, "Wait, I think this should be up to interpretation". Then we have amendments to modify this constitution (code) to make it smarter or less prone to misinterpretation.

The argument that I've heard is that a computer can be programmed to learn and "amend" its code accordingly...this would be AI.

My rebuttal is that the computer was taught to learn by a human who wrote a code that, in and of itself, needs to have amendments.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PrimoGen,Mar 19 2009, 09:14 AM
we have not unlocked AI fully

if and when that happens and you cannot distinguish between a human thought process and a computer process I believe a computer will be able to out function a human if we allow it to.

without starting a theological debate, if a computer ever becomes fully sentient and self-aware and it happens to have risk management and self-preservation atributes.....we may be in big trouble


The only thing is, will we ever get to that point.

I pose the question: Is being sentinent god given, or can it be created by man?
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rex Leo,Mar 23 2009, 09:57 AM
I pose the question: Is being sentinent god given, or can it be created by man?
Counter: Is there a way to (double-blindly) tell the difference?
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Incubus,Mar 23 2009, 12:29 PM
My rebuttal is that the computer was taught to learn by a human who wrote a code that, in and of itself, needs to have amendments.
My rebuttal is that the fact that it needs constant updating makes it even more similar to a human. Humans are constantly being updated, too. We change our approach to things, and we even change the way that we learn. We simply need to teach the computer how to "learn to learn differently" and how to adapt its learning technique, just as we do as humans. And even if we have to "reprogram" it's learning algorithm, I don't think that makes it less smart or less human... that's just a different way for the computer to learn. We receive inputs from our eyes & ears, it receives inputs from a keyboard (or other interface device) that updates its knowledge and methodology.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 8D_In_Trunk,Mar 23 2009, 10:03 AM
Counter: Is there a way to (double-blindly) tell the difference?
No.

We have successfully made this topic chicken or egg.

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TraviS2000,Mar 22 2009, 09:00 AM
Two things to think about...


First, what if you took a human brain and replaced one neuron with the equivalent electrical component. You still have a fully functioning human brain...except it has one small electrical component in it. Now replace another. And another. A few more. In the end you wind up with a fully functioning "human brain" or is it a computer? Was it more powerful before or after you started...or is there even a difference?
Once again, I already addressed this:

There's a difference between a mathematical sequence, even a big fractal one, and what humans often do via serendipity.

[QUOTE]The strongest selected for and then evolved again.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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By 2035, computers will have surpassed us and artificial intelligence will be here. Just a matter of time... It only takes us to figure out that one thing that made 'us' become what we are, and that will help an other 'emotionless' computer to become smart.

Technology is just advancing too fast... Sure we're still in charge of "building" an operating system or whatever it is that makes a computer tick, but some applications/software is already in the stages of being able to learn and evolve over time.

There are database applications that constantly try to better the layout of the data. There are viruses which constantly try to avoid detection and polymorph over time. There are so called "smart games" where the characters learn behaviour through guidance. And there are operating systems that will change their behaviour to suit the person using them.

So mash up this and many more characteristics together, and one day it'll begin to make sense.

Now can we add some Terminator music in here plzktnxbye?
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Shinigami,Mar 23 2009, 02:29 PM
By 2035, computers will have surpassed us and artificial intelligence will be here.
I love when people put dates on stuff like this. You can't accurately predict that kind of stuff. You never know what kinds of technological/practical/legal issues will pop up that may advance or interfere with the progress.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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The end is nigh.
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