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Originally posted by DarioManfretti
See, here's my dilemma. I think that even if we do get these terrorists now, they will be replaced by more terrorists. Just like the suicide bombers in Israel. I belive we do have to act, but it may be a lose - lose situation.
See, here's my dilemma. I think that even if we do get these terrorists now, they will be replaced by more terrorists. Just like the suicide bombers in Israel. I belive we do have to act, but it may be a lose - lose situation.
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From: Orlando
Originally posted by The Unabageler
well i guess i can say it's about time we went and cleaned up that mess...we practically gave iraq their full WMD and chemical capabilities in the 80s with our republican leadership.
well i guess i can say it's about time we went and cleaned up that mess...we practically gave iraq their full WMD and chemical capabilities in the 80s with our republican leadership.
Remember that iraq wouldnt be have the chem capabilties they have without the help of the Germans, British, Austrians, Italians, French, and Russians as well.
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From: La Mirada
This is what I'm pretty much saying, if you attack, because of you want to avoid another 9-11, what are the limits, the boundaries? What can we do? Whatever we feel like as long as we are safe? This is a slippery slope argument, you mount it and it's just, like Dario said, a lose lose situation. You must fix US foreign policy, it's relationship with it's neighbors and trading partners. They hate us because we exploit the sh!t outta them.
Steve, death is death, no matter who it is or what nationality/race/sex the death is, it's all bad. What happened in Bali is bad, but we dont' know who did it do we? Things blow up all the time, everywhere, with lots of people dying, now we care because 2 Americans got killed? If people want to play the death is bad card, then just look around the world and see who's dying the most and where, and let your sympathy be there. I'm interested in seeing what facts you are looking at Steve, let me know because you probably know things I don't, so just holler back at me(btw what happened to you at the meet, you just disappeared).
Lig, most of my opinions come from my exposure to the international community and taking American history courses. Being in South America and South Korea and Japan for a while, I began to understand US's place in the world more, and even though we are on top, people don't hate us for that, they hate us because we like to point fingers and get all high minded about freedom and justice and about weapons and militaristic governments when we are far worse, hypocritical and two faced. I've seen many instances to how far our military has gone and money wasted for all weapons, biochem, nuc, even using animals like pigeons and dolphins as well as humans, mostly ethnic minorities. The old USSR war machine pales in comparison to our's.
If we get involved, which I am positive we will, there will just be more bloodshed, more enemies, and more fear on our part. The terrorists doesn't end, so don't expect them to.
Steve, death is death, no matter who it is or what nationality/race/sex the death is, it's all bad. What happened in Bali is bad, but we dont' know who did it do we? Things blow up all the time, everywhere, with lots of people dying, now we care because 2 Americans got killed? If people want to play the death is bad card, then just look around the world and see who's dying the most and where, and let your sympathy be there. I'm interested in seeing what facts you are looking at Steve, let me know because you probably know things I don't, so just holler back at me(btw what happened to you at the meet, you just disappeared).
Lig, most of my opinions come from my exposure to the international community and taking American history courses. Being in South America and South Korea and Japan for a while, I began to understand US's place in the world more, and even though we are on top, people don't hate us for that, they hate us because we like to point fingers and get all high minded about freedom and justice and about weapons and militaristic governments when we are far worse, hypocritical and two faced. I've seen many instances to how far our military has gone and money wasted for all weapons, biochem, nuc, even using animals like pigeons and dolphins as well as humans, mostly ethnic minorities. The old USSR war machine pales in comparison to our's.
If we get involved, which I am positive we will, there will just be more bloodshed, more enemies, and more fear on our part. The terrorists doesn't end, so don't expect them to.
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From: Orlando
Originally posted by DJSang
This is what I'm pretty much saying, if you attack, because of you want to avoid another 9-11, what are the limits, the boundaries? What can we do? Whatever we feel like as long as we are safe? This is a slippery slope argument, you mount it and it's just, like Dario said, a lose lose situation. You must fix US foreign policy, it's relationship with it's neighbors and trading partners. They hate us because we exploit the sh!t outta them.
This is what I'm pretty much saying, if you attack, because of you want to avoid another 9-11, what are the limits, the boundaries? What can we do? Whatever we feel like as long as we are safe? This is a slippery slope argument, you mount it and it's just, like Dario said, a lose lose situation. You must fix US foreign policy, it's relationship with it's neighbors and trading partners. They hate us because we exploit the sh!t outta them.
Wrong, their own leaders exploit them and blame the great white satan. Then they preach jihad and revolution and how its great to give your life for your religion while they are spending the money the US gives them for humanitarian aid. We (you) give billions of dollars of aid to countries that are our mortal enemies, yet it never reaches the people. THe dictators and leaders have huge palaces, collections of sports cars, throngs of wives that sit home smoke crack and pop out some heirs to the throne.
All the while the leaders of these factions are running for thier lives and hiding, not willing to die for the same ideals they expect and demand (many times with muderous consequences) of thier peons and minions. They even enlist the mentally unstabe and insane to do their dirty work.
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From: Lyndhurst
Originally posted by 99GT
I was looking at pictures of cheering terrorists in Iraq the day of the event.
I was looking at pictures of cheering terrorists in Iraq the day of the event.
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From: seattle
Originally posted by wdavis
Wrong, their own leaders exploit them and blame the great white satan. Then they preach jihad and revolution and how its great to give your life for your religion while they are spending the money the US gives them for humanitarian aid. We (you) give billions of dollars of aid to countries that are our mortal enemies, yet it never reaches the people. THe dictators and leaders have huge palaces, collections of sports cars, throngs of wives that sit home smoke crack and pop out some heirs to the throne.
All the while the leaders of these factions are running for thier lives and hiding, not willing to die for the same ideals they expect and demand (many times with muderous consequences) of thier peons and minions. They even enlist the mentally unstabe and insane to do their dirty work.
Wrong, their own leaders exploit them and blame the great white satan. Then they preach jihad and revolution and how its great to give your life for your religion while they are spending the money the US gives them for humanitarian aid. We (you) give billions of dollars of aid to countries that are our mortal enemies, yet it never reaches the people. THe dictators and leaders have huge palaces, collections of sports cars, throngs of wives that sit home smoke crack and pop out some heirs to the throne.
All the while the leaders of these factions are running for thier lives and hiding, not willing to die for the same ideals they expect and demand (many times with muderous consequences) of thier peons and minions. They even enlist the mentally unstabe and insane to do their dirty work.
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