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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thebig33tuna,Sep 9 2010, 01:06 PM
Don't be too hard on him.

A cop once beat him senseless with an iPod.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Sep 9 2010, 01:19 PM
Does everyone who says that their Mac is built better than the PC it replaced automatically a Mac fanboi or only those people whom you choose? Just trying to understand the pure arbitrary, out-of-your-ass personal judgement system you have.
The part about his 3 year old MBP being the best built laptop. Either he is a Mac fanboi or he doesn't actually put his hands on too many laptops.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Sep 9 2010, 12:19 PM
Does everyone who says that their Mac is built better than the PC it replaced automatically a Mac fanboi or only those people whom you choose? Just trying to understand the pure arbitrary, out-of-your-ass personal judgement system you have.
Because there are a ton of companies making and selling desktops and laptops, it's not valid to make blanket statements that equate a Dell product with *ALL* products running a Windows OS. Anyone who confuses Dell with *the entire PC industry* is not informed, hence their opinions are coming from prejudice rather than experience, i.e. a fanboi.

It's one thing to say, "My Macbook is better-built than my old Dell laptop."

It's quite another to say, "Macbooks are better built than Windows laptops. I know because I once had a Dell laptop that would like totally flex and stuff."

Do you understand the difference?
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by exb00st,Sep 9 2010, 01:31 PM
There is no question that a Apple's build quality is better than any similarly marketed product (namely it's "closest", most recent PC competitor, the HP Envy).
I can name off at least one that has build quality on par if not better, the Dell Adamo.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:45 PM
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Unfortunately, NuncoStr8, I don't think you understand what he actually wrote. You and Voodoo seem to have taken a knee-jerk response to any PC criticism, promting the claim of Apple fanboi-ism, without looking at what was really said. You said "It's one thing to say, 'My Macbook is better-built than my old Dell laptop.'" yet that is exactly what was said. Let me quote it:

the build quality on my almost 3 year old MBP is still better than any brand new Windows laptop I've owned (or had the opportunity to use at a store or colleagues').
See? He's doing exactly what you'd prefer him to do - discuss his personal experiences, and not conjecture about the entire PC industry.

Similarly, I was trying to do some fact-checking on the pic that started this thread, and Voodoo laughs at me when he notices a mistake I made. Sheesh. Talk about a helpful way to promote an interesting conversation. And when I make note of Dell and HP offerings that are actually more expensive than Apple prices for the same part, there's nothing. No admission of "Oh yeah, Apple's cheaper than Dell and HP sometimes." I'd at least want something along the lines of "You made such-and-such mistake in your comparison, the Apple's still more expensive."

By the way, I don't even own a Mac. I simply noticed one mistake in the OP's pic and wanted to fact-check the rest of it because I was curious.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:48 PM
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Sep 9 2010, 01:45 PM
Unfortunately, NuncoStr8, I don't think you understand what he actually wrote. You and Voodoo seem to have taken a knee-jerk response to any PC criticism, promting the claim of Apple fanboi-ism, without looking at what was really said.


I'm not sure that anyone read my posts. I should cut down on the length.

Last night I reinstalled Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro with a larger partition, so that I would be able to install Starcraft II. I immediately noticed that it ran faster and at a higher level of recommended video settings than the same game running in a Mac environment.

It's just up to you as a consumer to decide which makes the most sense for you.

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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 02:00 PM
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Voodoo–

I've used hundreds of different Windows (meaning OS-based) laptops through friends, family, colleagues, classmates, demos in retail stores, etc. It's a hobby of mine and I also do frequent training on PCs with clients as well. I've also owned laptops from every major manufacturer and they all have fallen apart after a year or two of heavy use, not to mention dealing with the shitty OS.

The Adamo isn't as well built as the MacBook Air (its main competitor, not the MBP). It flexes when put under pressure (and isn't even as thin) and its keyboard doesn't give the same quality tactile feedback the MBA does. It may look cool, but that's not much of a factor to me vs. durability. I've also never used a trackpad on a "Windows" laptop that's as good as my MBP's.

Nunco–

I stand by my statement when I say that my MBP is the best built laptop I've worked with. I use it every day for work and personal/entertainment purposes so it gets very heavy use. You may want to re-read, as I mentioned not only Dell, but HP, Toshiba and Sony as well. Lenovo, Samsung, Gateway and Acer are other ones I've used.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Sep 9 2010, 01:10 PM
Dell Precision T7500:

Dual Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor E5620, 2.40GHz,12M L3, 5.86GT/s, turbo
3 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 3 Year NBD On-Site Service
Precision T7500 Power Supply
6GB, DDR3 RDIMM Memory, 1333MHz, ECC (6 DIMMS)
1GB ATI FirePro V5800, Triple MON, 2 DP & 1 DVI
C1 All SATA or SSD drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
Trend Micro Worry-Free Business Security Services, 30-days
Integrated LSI 1068e SAS/SATA 3.0Gb/s controller
1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s, 7200 RPM Hard Drive with 32MB DataBurst Cache™
16X DVD-ROM with Cyberlink Power DVD™ No Media
No Monitor
No Floppy Drive and No Media Card Reader

=== $3478

with 2x6 core 2.66 Xeon CPUS: $5274 (compared to $4999 for the Mac Pro)

Apple Mac Pro:

Two 2.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” (8 cores)
6GB (6X1GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) & User's Guide

=== $3499

with 2x6 core 2.66Ghz CPUs: $4999, almost $300 less than the Dell
I didn't bother going through the steps to do an actual side by side comparison, but the two obvious thing I saw was the lack of extended warranty and any RAID on the Mac. That's a $250 and $700 option respectively, which makes the Mac now almost $1000 more than the Dell. We all know Dell and the other major PC vendors always discount their PCs, so its easy to get significant discounts from what their website shows at any given time. Does Apple offer discounts?

One thing I will concede is Apple has become a lot more price competitive over the years.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by exb00st,Sep 9 2010, 03:00 PM
Voodoo–

I've used hundreds of different laptops (meaning OS-based) through friends, family, colleagues, classmates, demos in retail stores, etc. It's a hobby of mine and I also do frequent training on PCs with clients as well. I've also owned laptops from every major manufacturer and they all have fallen apart after a year or two of heavy use, not to mention dealing with the shitty OS.

The Adamo isn't as well built as the MacBook Air (its main competitor, not the MBP). It flexes when put under pressure (and isn't even as thin) and it's keyboard doesn't give the same quality tactile feedback the MBA does. It may look cool, but that's not much of a factor to me vs. durability.
It's more then a hobby for me. I actually support 100's of laptops and guess what, they all seem to last just fine until their 3 year warranties expire. The Adamo is clearly better built than the Air. The screen on the Air flexes significant if you lift it from the corner. The Adamo doesn't do that.
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