Not here to start a Mac vs PC war
Originally Posted by cthree,Sep 9 2010, 01:19 PM
Does everyone who says that their Mac is built better than the PC it replaced automatically a Mac fanboi or only those people whom you choose? Just trying to understand the pure arbitrary, out-of-your-ass personal judgement system you have.
Originally Posted by cthree,Sep 9 2010, 12:19 PM
Does everyone who says that their Mac is built better than the PC it replaced automatically a Mac fanboi or only those people whom you choose? Just trying to understand the pure arbitrary, out-of-your-ass personal judgement system you have.
It's one thing to say, "My Macbook is better-built than my old Dell laptop."
It's quite another to say, "Macbooks are better built than Windows laptops. I know because I once had a Dell laptop that would like totally flex and stuff."
Do you understand the difference?
Originally Posted by exb00st,Sep 9 2010, 01:31 PM
There is no question that a Apple's build quality is better than any similarly marketed product (namely it's "closest", most recent PC competitor, the HP Envy).
Unfortunately, NuncoStr8, I don't think you understand what he actually wrote. You and Voodoo seem to have taken a knee-jerk response to any PC criticism, promting the claim of Apple fanboi-ism, without looking at what was really said. You said "It's one thing to say, 'My Macbook is better-built than my old Dell laptop.'" yet that is exactly what was said. Let me quote it:
See? He's doing exactly what you'd prefer him to do - discuss his personal experiences, and not conjecture about the entire PC industry.
Similarly, I was trying to do some fact-checking on the pic that started this thread, and Voodoo laughs at me when he notices a mistake I made. Sheesh. Talk about a helpful way to promote an interesting conversation. And when I make note of Dell and HP offerings that are actually more expensive than Apple prices for the same part, there's nothing. No admission of "Oh yeah, Apple's cheaper than Dell and HP sometimes." I'd at least want something along the lines of "You made such-and-such mistake in your comparison, the Apple's still more expensive."
By the way, I don't even own a Mac. I simply noticed one mistake in the OP's pic and wanted to fact-check the rest of it because I was curious.
the build quality on my almost 3 year old MBP is still better than any brand new Windows laptop I've owned (or had the opportunity to use at a store or colleagues').
Similarly, I was trying to do some fact-checking on the pic that started this thread, and Voodoo laughs at me when he notices a mistake I made. Sheesh. Talk about a helpful way to promote an interesting conversation. And when I make note of Dell and HP offerings that are actually more expensive than Apple prices for the same part, there's nothing. No admission of "Oh yeah, Apple's cheaper than Dell and HP sometimes." I'd at least want something along the lines of "You made such-and-such mistake in your comparison, the Apple's still more expensive."
By the way, I don't even own a Mac. I simply noticed one mistake in the OP's pic and wanted to fact-check the rest of it because I was curious.
Originally Posted by Elistan,Sep 9 2010, 01:45 PM
Unfortunately, NuncoStr8, I don't think you understand what he actually wrote. You and Voodoo seem to have taken a knee-jerk response to any PC criticism, promting the claim of Apple fanboi-ism, without looking at what was really said.
I'm not sure that anyone read my posts. I should cut down on the length.
Last night I reinstalled Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro with a larger partition, so that I would be able to install Starcraft II. I immediately noticed that it ran faster and at a higher level of recommended video settings than the same game running in a Mac environment.
It's just up to you as a consumer to decide which makes the most sense for you.
Quick2k
Voodoo–
I've used hundreds of different Windows (meaning OS-based) laptops through friends, family, colleagues, classmates, demos in retail stores, etc. It's a hobby of mine and I also do frequent training on PCs with clients as well. I've also owned laptops from every major manufacturer and they all have fallen apart after a year or two of heavy use, not to mention dealing with the shitty OS.
The Adamo isn't as well built as the MacBook Air (its main competitor, not the MBP). It flexes when put under pressure (and isn't even as thin) and its keyboard doesn't give the same quality tactile feedback the MBA does. It may look cool, but that's not much of a factor to me vs. durability. I've also never used a trackpad on a "Windows" laptop that's as good as my MBP's.
Nunco–
I stand by my statement when I say that my MBP is the best built laptop I've worked with. I use it every day for work and personal/entertainment purposes so it gets very heavy use. You may want to re-read, as I mentioned not only Dell, but HP, Toshiba and Sony as well. Lenovo, Samsung, Gateway and Acer are other ones I've used.
I've used hundreds of different Windows (meaning OS-based) laptops through friends, family, colleagues, classmates, demos in retail stores, etc. It's a hobby of mine and I also do frequent training on PCs with clients as well. I've also owned laptops from every major manufacturer and they all have fallen apart after a year or two of heavy use, not to mention dealing with the shitty OS.
The Adamo isn't as well built as the MacBook Air (its main competitor, not the MBP). It flexes when put under pressure (and isn't even as thin) and its keyboard doesn't give the same quality tactile feedback the MBA does. It may look cool, but that's not much of a factor to me vs. durability. I've also never used a trackpad on a "Windows" laptop that's as good as my MBP's.
Nunco–
I stand by my statement when I say that my MBP is the best built laptop I've worked with. I use it every day for work and personal/entertainment purposes so it gets very heavy use. You may want to re-read, as I mentioned not only Dell, but HP, Toshiba and Sony as well. Lenovo, Samsung, Gateway and Acer are other ones I've used.
Originally Posted by cthree,Sep 9 2010, 01:10 PM
Dell Precision T7500:
Dual Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor E5620, 2.40GHz,12M L3, 5.86GT/s, turbo
3 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 3 Year NBD On-Site Service
Precision T7500 Power Supply
6GB, DDR3 RDIMM Memory, 1333MHz, ECC (6 DIMMS)
1GB ATI FirePro V5800, Triple MON, 2 DP & 1 DVI
C1 All SATA or SSD drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
Trend Micro Worry-Free Business Security Services, 30-days
Integrated LSI 1068e SAS/SATA 3.0Gb/s controller
1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s, 7200 RPM Hard Drive with 32MB DataBurst Cache™
16X DVD-ROM with Cyberlink Power DVD™ No Media
No Monitor
No Floppy Drive and No Media Card Reader
=== $3478
with 2x6 core 2.66 Xeon CPUS: $5274 (compared to $4999 for the Mac Pro)
Apple Mac Pro:
Two 2.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” (8 cores)
6GB (6X1GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) & User's Guide
=== $3499
with 2x6 core 2.66Ghz CPUs: $4999, almost $300 less than the Dell
Dual Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor E5620, 2.40GHz,12M L3, 5.86GT/s, turbo
3 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 3 Year NBD On-Site Service
Precision T7500 Power Supply
6GB, DDR3 RDIMM Memory, 1333MHz, ECC (6 DIMMS)
1GB ATI FirePro V5800, Triple MON, 2 DP & 1 DVI
C1 All SATA or SSD drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
Trend Micro Worry-Free Business Security Services, 30-days
Integrated LSI 1068e SAS/SATA 3.0Gb/s controller
1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s, 7200 RPM Hard Drive with 32MB DataBurst Cache™
16X DVD-ROM with Cyberlink Power DVD™ No Media
No Monitor
No Floppy Drive and No Media Card Reader
=== $3478
with 2x6 core 2.66 Xeon CPUS: $5274 (compared to $4999 for the Mac Pro)
Apple Mac Pro:
Two 2.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” (8 cores)
6GB (6X1GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) & User's Guide
=== $3499
with 2x6 core 2.66Ghz CPUs: $4999, almost $300 less than the Dell
One thing I will concede is Apple has become a lot more price competitive over the years.
Originally Posted by exb00st,Sep 9 2010, 03:00 PM
Voodoo–
I've used hundreds of different laptops (meaning OS-based) through friends, family, colleagues, classmates, demos in retail stores, etc. It's a hobby of mine and I also do frequent training on PCs with clients as well. I've also owned laptops from every major manufacturer and they all have fallen apart after a year or two of heavy use, not to mention dealing with the shitty OS.
The Adamo isn't as well built as the MacBook Air (its main competitor, not the MBP). It flexes when put under pressure (and isn't even as thin) and it's keyboard doesn't give the same quality tactile feedback the MBA does. It may look cool, but that's not much of a factor to me vs. durability.
I've used hundreds of different laptops (meaning OS-based) through friends, family, colleagues, classmates, demos in retail stores, etc. It's a hobby of mine and I also do frequent training on PCs with clients as well. I've also owned laptops from every major manufacturer and they all have fallen apart after a year or two of heavy use, not to mention dealing with the shitty OS.
The Adamo isn't as well built as the MacBook Air (its main competitor, not the MBP). It flexes when put under pressure (and isn't even as thin) and it's keyboard doesn't give the same quality tactile feedback the MBA does. It may look cool, but that's not much of a factor to me vs. durability.



