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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by vstypicals,Jan 13 2010, 05:18 PM
We have different views. Some agree with you, some don't. I'm part of the ones that don't.

Like I said, if I was in his place, and I made an error with the sale, I will compensate him for the mistake or allow the refund and I'll cover the shipping. I still wouldn't blatantly try to pass one wing for another though.
I would also like it if he paid for shipping.
I would also like it if people who dinged your car in a parking lot left $50 bills under your windshields for PDR.
I would also like it if people didn't litter and didn't drink and drive.

That's what I think would be optimal.

That's not what I think is realistic.

I think you're idealistic.

Maybe you would pay for shipping both ways. Maybe you wouldn't. We don't know because we're not in that situation. You know the guy is hurting for money. And you're willingly causing him pain to squeeze him.

But why? On "principle?" Communication on both sides were faulty. Lots of people post things as "MINT CONDITION" here, but I've been around long enough to know that is subject to interpretation. If I were buying that wing, I would have insisted on having him open the box and take pictures. Or have him forward his order email to you so you could confirm the risers.

Karma is bad news. He has your address.

I bought a wing that was supposed to be in good condition. It was cracked. The seller made good on the deal. I bought a trunk that was supposed to be in good condition. The seller did a crap-ass job shipping and it wound up dented on all sides. He said, "Sorry, I'm out money too."

If I wanted a 100% guarantee, I wouldn't buy it from a private party. Otherwise, expect to be disappointed in the future.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by s2000raj,Jan 14 2010, 08:35 AM
You could ship it back COD for 50 bucks or whatever the shipping cost is then if he wants it he'll pay.
can you do that? sounds like a good idea to me! but then what happens if he doesn't accept, does it get sent back and you have to pay?
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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What the hell? Why is this thread titled "I am being sued by..."

I call

It should be called "I MIGHT get sued by a douchy seller and/or receive a letter from his lawyer."
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Diego1107,Jan 13 2010, 08:31 PM
What the hell? Why is this thread titled "I am being sued by..."

I call

It should be called

"I MIGHT get sued by a douchy seller and/or receive a letter from his lawyer because I am butt-hurt about having to pay to ship his property back after going through the trouble of getting my money back, which I did, but its the principle of the thing........"
Fixed, save yourself some additional stress, drop it in the mail and be done with it.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CKit,Jan 13 2010, 03:42 PM
If you sold me an intake and I got shipped an intake that was the wrong model but still fit, then yes, I would pay to ship it back.

He sold you a perfectly functional wing.

It was a miscommunication. It didn't work out. If you wanted business-grade customer service and return policies, buy from a business.

You accepted the "risk" by purchasing from an individual and without objectively confirming the particulars of the item.

It DOES fit the S2000. Technically, that's correct.
So ship the box back and don't be passive aggressive.
If buyer asks seller if they are selling a specific wing and the seller represents the wing is in fact the one the buyer is looking for, the seller is at fault in the event the wing provided is different than the one represented to buyer. Clear breach of contract.

Buyer has a right to reject after a reasonable time to inspect. Which happened.

Hate to break it to sellers, but a seller MUST disclose all material defects known to seller, even if Buyer doesn't ask. In the same vein, misrepresentations are the fault of the seller. Know what you are selling or don't make representations you are unsure of. If you don't know be honest.

The buyer didn't assume the risk because the Seller represented the wing as specific to S2000s. As I have the APR Wing, I specifically looked for an S2000 wing.

The difference in these two wings is significant because the bracing on the non-specific APR wing places stress on middle of the trunk lid, which some members have reported causes the trunk to bend.

The question is do you want to deal with the hassle of this all. The funny thing is seller will have to serve buyer, which means either seller or someone seller hires is actually going to have to meet buyer face to face. Instead of picking up the wing he is going to serve him.

Additionally, Buyer could counter-sue seller for lost value of the deal. The difference between the buying price and the price of the specific s2000 wing. Plus court costs.

Personally, I agree CKit for difference reasons, and would ship the wing back and pay for it.
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 04:06 AM
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there is no way I would pay for shipping in this instance....i like the cod shipping method
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vstypicals,Jan 13 2010, 03:27 PM
If I sold you an intake, but I send you a rock, will you pay to ship the rock back to me after you have to call your credit card company and file a dispute because I wouldn't accept the return?

I believe that whoever screws up should pay the shipping. In the hypothetical case above, why would you need to pay to ship the rock back if you did nothing wrong?
You're equating two very similar versions of a cheesy ass ricer wing to a rock and an intake? Really?

You're being a little girl.


Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:04 AM
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Let him take you to court and bring the wing with you


Seriously though, you already admitted some fault from buying from such a shady dealer and we all pay for our mistakes. I don't think you should have to pay for anything either and think it was a nice move to offer to pay for half of it but life isn't fair. Just send it back. You don't have to do it overnight, there really is no rush but at least it would be out of your hands.
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CKit,Jan 13 2010, 05:04 PM
That's not how life works. You have to PAY for guarantees. If you go to a restaurant and don't like their food, they don't have to comp it for you. If you buy from a clothing store, wear the stuff once and it falls apart, they don't have to take it back.
i agree and disagree at the same time. I agree that business'/restaurants dont have to take the product back or comp you for shitty food/service but at the same time they do have a reputation to hold. Would you want to go back to that store/restaurant that gave you bad merchandise/food? Also people talk to each other, if my friend got bad merchandise/food would I buy anything from them? probably not.

If I was that seller and I really wanted that back, I'd pay for the shipping. So far, out of all the stuff I sold on here I've only had one issue and that was a AP2 radio I sold (cd player was damaged during shipping) I refunded him the money right away and payed extra for the shipping back, because 1. I'm not shady and
2. I want him to buy from me again

they buyer is being really reasonable offering to pay half the shipping but the seller is not. Just my .02
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:47 AM
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I think this discussion has gone on long enough. For situations like this, there's only one logical solution that's fair for both parties...

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