mingster,

"Choas" is actually a misnomer. The field should really be called "deterministic unpredictability." Chaotic systems are deterministic (they are in one state or another, not in some mixture) -- and unpredictable (knowledge of the entire history of the system does not allow one to predict what the next state will be).

Chaos is a field quite disparate from quantum mechanics. In quantum mechanics, systems are INdeterminate -- they don't exist in one state or another, they exist as a mixture of states.

I have no idea what significance the statement "space is not empty" has, nor have I heard of a "morphic field." Beware the pseudoscience.

- Warren

 

Think carefully: Wisdom to live by.

So the child is not being ruefully burned in a senseless and preventable act of violence -- no, instead the child is a martyr, selected to be brought back into the loving arms of the savior. Quaint.

You've retreated to faith again, my friend -- a common defense of your ilk. You've reduced the argument to one of "but the child's going to heaven, so it's okay!" As I've said before, that argument simply isn't enough. To believe it, you must a priori believe that God is good -- the very thing we're trying to discuss. In that sense, your logic is flawed: you cannot respond "but God is good!" to my question of "is God good?"

- Warren

 

Exactly Warren! We need to determin god's motivations behind why we are here before we can answer a question like that. Again....with the arguments that are being brought forth, it sounds like we are only here for his amusement. Selfish?

 

On the contrary, I do understand it. I omitted it because its inclusion does nothing to explain free will, in the sense of wilfully controlling thoughts which are the product of biochemical reactions; its inclusion does complicate the discussion.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chroot
[B]Think carefully:

 

magician,

Without indeterminism, there is no free will, as you argued.

With indeterminism, there may be free will, as I argued.

The entire conclusion rests upon the presence or absence of indeterminism -- so I think it's at least a little relevant to a discussion of the biological capacity of free-will.

- Warren

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ltweintz
[B]Exactly Warren!

 

Necessary, but not necessarily sufficient.

Note, too, that quantum mechanical theory is just that, a theory. And probably an incomplete one at that. Are there no methods to measure an elementary particle's position and momentum exactly without disturbing that particle because of the measuring process? None of which I'm aware; none of which you're aware (I base this on your embrace of the HUP); none of which most or all physicists are aware. Maybe there's one and we all simply haven't discovered it yet.

Doesn't accepting something like the HUP as le dernier cri involve its own sort of faith? Just musing here.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JonBoy
[B]

LOL.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JonBoy
[B]

I seriously don't think you're seeing what I'm saying.