Tiger Woods wins again in sudden death
Tiger has to have more surgery for a torn ACL and a strees fracture and is out for the season:
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug...ov=ap&type=lgns
That males his US Open victory even more incredible.
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug...ov=ap&type=lgns
That males his US Open victory even more incredible.
Originally Posted by The Raptor,Jun 18 2008, 11:04 AM
Tiger has to have more surgery for a torn ACL and a strees fracture and is out for the season:
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug...ov=ap&type=lgns
That males his US Open victory even more incredible.
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug...ov=ap&type=lgns
That males his US Open victory even more incredible.
Originally Posted by The Raptor,Jun 18 2008, 12:04 PM
Tiger has to have more surgery for a torn ACL and a strees fracture and is out for the season:
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug...ov=ap&type=lgns
That males his US Open victory even more incredible.
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug...ov=ap&type=lgns
That males his US Open victory even more incredible.
Golf just like any other sport (I know, I know Golf a sport??) gets better with time. The courses get harder the and the competition gets stiffer. But, to say he is not great b/c he can't be compared to anyone is just stupid.
As if the other golfers are not pros or something... that type of logic really makes me cringe....
As if the other golfers are not pros or something... that type of logic really makes me cringe....
Originally Posted by benny,Jun 17 2008, 10:20 AM
Tiger is great. Of that there is no doubt. But...he has no great players today to be compared against. He has been crammed down our throats by the media to the point where most golfers I know don't watch golf nearly as much as before, however he is the darling of people who do not golf! I find this ironic.
Frick I love how some people read but only retain or remember what they choose to...give me a fricking break.
You can read into it whatever you want...
If you botthered to take the time to read through and understand my posts you would see quite clearly where I stated many times that I am sick of the over hyped media coverage and constant Tiger coverage being crammed down our throats.
But I do understand some people read what they want to read and that is ok...I knew when I posted in this thread that some people believe him to be a God.
If you botthered to take the time to read through and understand my posts you would see quite clearly where I stated many times that I am sick of the over hyped media coverage and constant Tiger coverage being crammed down our throats.
But I do understand some people read what they want to read and that is ok...I knew when I posted in this thread that some people believe him to be a God.
Here are a few of your comments that don't exactly line up with the idea that Tiger is, plain and simple, simply a fantastic golfer.
Never mind that Tiger was playing injured and still won. They sure set that course up amazingly well to favor an injured player that is now out for the rest of the season.
You know you're good when everyone else looks like they're amateurs.
No, he won it because he was better, period. He was playing injured (ie, unable to play at full capacity) and he still won it all. You're saying that length off the tee is not somehow part of being a great player? Imagine being able to hit long and accurately? Wow - what a novel idea! Not a measure of greatness, though...
Part of Tiger's greatness is his ability to absolutely smash the ball when he wants to. 300 yards with a 3 iron, anyone?
So is skill a measure of taste now? Not liking him has nothing to do with his skills and capabilities. And that's the rub of the matter - you can't fault him for his gameplay, only his sportsmanship, and so you focus on anything but his gameplay. If a guy wins a lot, he is obviously very skilled, possibly even great.
So you're fairly certain of what YOUR heroes would do, huh? You know them personally? If Tiger started to influence the PGA rules, you'd jump all over him if he did something that didn't meet your approval. The PGA does what the PGA does - why blame it on Tiger? They've been doing it for a while and I don't see any of the Senior Tour guys complaining.
They're your heroes - why haven't we heard from them?
Poor? Some of those competitors have broken course records that have stood for decades on some courses. Tiger has broken a ton of records as well. I don't think you really have much of a foot to stand on there. There are some absolutely fantastic golfers out there.
You kind of remind me of grandparents that say "When I was a kid, we walked 42 miles to school in blinding snowstorms every day! We were tough!" Nothing looks as tough or as bad (or, in this case, as good) as what you loved or did when you were younger. Your last statement is telling and if you realized that you're putting your heroes on as big a pedestal now as people are doing with Tiger, you'd probably see the irony of the statements you're making. Like it or not, you're doing the same thing to your heroes that the media is doing to Tiger now.
Not as dominant, or even human, I think you mean.
He's won on a wide number of courses (or placed very well). The guy is very well rounded, period, and can win on any given day on any given course. That's more than can be said for a lot of others.
He isn't perfect but he's always competitive and most often the favoured player to win.
You just did! How is that not an insinuation (at the least) that they favoured Tiger, period, on the greens? Also, the first thing I posted from you stated that they set up the course to favour Tiger. 
If you're sick of the hype, fine, but you don't seem to have a leg to stand in saying that the hype isn't justified. He's played on a lot of different courses in a lot of different conditions and won in just about every combination. He can flat out play golf like no one else right now.
"Way to go Rocco! You almost beat Tiger on a course the PGA set up for him!"
All he has ever played against are ghosts....and to make any comparisons against former greats is pointless
Oh and by the way...IMHO Tiger won the open for one simple reason, his length off the tee. And his record on the par 5's bears this out
Part of Tiger's greatness is his ability to absolutely smash the ball when he wants to. 300 yards with a 3 iron, anyone?
Hero worship is fine but some of us just have more discerning tastes.
And IMHO he should and could say "WHOA! In our great game, which has allowed me to become a millionaire 800 times over, the scoring has always been the leader is the player who has played the most holes. So just like when my hero Jack played and all the other greats before him, I think you should continue on with that fine and honest tradition." Now you probably will say "Bullshit! Why should he!" Well I see it as a slight and a changing of the grand traditions. And I am fairly certain that Jack or Arnold would have spoken up by now...times they have a changed and not always for the better...
They're your heroes - why haven't we heard from them?
Well I guess my only answer would be that it is likely that someday, as equipment progresses and the game changes, someone new will come along and will have as poor a group of competitors as Tiger presently has and he will be as dominant or moreso than Tiger and then you and y2ks2k will be sitting back saying the same things that I am.
We all love our Hero's.....
We all love our Hero's.....
You kind of remind me of grandparents that say "When I was a kid, we walked 42 miles to school in blinding snowstorms every day! We were tough!" Nothing looks as tough or as bad (or, in this case, as good) as what you loved or did when you were younger. Your last statement is telling and if you realized that you're putting your heroes on as big a pedestal now as people are doing with Tiger, you'd probably see the irony of the statements you're making. Like it or not, you're doing the same thing to your heroes that the media is doing to Tiger now.

Tiger plays like crap on tight courses. He always has. He only plays the same tournies year after year and those are the ones which suit his game best. Can't blame him but...Tiger sucks on tight courses and the stats you listed as his weaknesses bear that out
He's won on a wide number of courses (or placed very well). The guy is very well rounded, period, and can win on any given day on any given course. That's more than can be said for a lot of others.He isn't perfect but he's always competitive and most often the favoured player to win.
And most of the pins were on the right side of the greens favouring Tiger...Rocco plays a draw. And for the record I never said the playoff flags or tees were in any way set up to favour either player.

If you're sick of the hype, fine, but you don't seem to have a leg to stand in saying that the hype isn't justified. He's played on a lot of different courses in a lot of different conditions and won in just about every combination. He can flat out play golf like no one else right now.










