what would you ask jesus
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Originally Posted by STImachine,Dec 2 2004, 01:19 PM
"Smart Christians" are really not too smart in my opinion. They can have a high level of intelligence, but if they don't think about things, that doesn't make them smart in my book. Using logic would answer alot of questions. If I told you "God" was actually a UFO that came to Earth, what would you think of that? Research a little and you'll find it easier to believe that when "God" was supposedly talking to people, the description of "God" sure matches a UFO pretty frequently. Food for thought...or you can rely on your "blind faith". 
Here's one for you. Prove to me that you're awake, not dreaming.
I'm waiting.....and still waiting.
That's right - you can't prove it. You just have to have faith that you're awake.
It goes for everything - there is nothing that doesn't require faith at some level. Even the most basic of science principles requires faith. I'm an engineer and a Christian - I have the good to fortune to see both sides and see how very similar science and religion are (in how they require faith/belief in an unproven idea).
The thought that because I believe in an "unprovable" God is no different that you believing you're "unprovably" awake.
Think on it, then roll your eyes. Okay - now you can start thinking about things (as you suggest we Christians do). Take your own advice - think.
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Try reading Carl Sagan's book, The Demon-Haunted World. See http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...193402?v=glance
'Faith' means you can believe whatever you like, regardless of reality. If it makes you happy, that's fine. It gets dangerous when you start believing in faith healers, because now it has consequences.
I loved talking to the idiots who claimed the world was going to end on 1/1/00, but refused to give me all their money in December '99. Their faith didn't last long when it came to parting with their dollars, that's for sure.
'Faith' means you can believe whatever you like, regardless of reality. If it makes you happy, that's fine. It gets dangerous when you start believing in faith healers, because now it has consequences.
I loved talking to the idiots who claimed the world was going to end on 1/1/00, but refused to give me all their money in December '99. Their faith didn't last long when it came to parting with their dollars, that's for sure.
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i'm gonna have to agree with Steve C on this one as well. It just doesn't make sense. What i believe is that it all boils down to FAITH...which i don't have. For the most part, i believe religion is a crutch to help people deal with their shitty lives and a form of control used by many to scare people into conforming with their beliefs. That being said, i hold nothing against christians because i respect their beliefs if they respect mine; however, people who preach to me about their religion shall be swiftly killed. 
sagan's book is pretty good too. Try reading michael shermer's "why people believe weird things." That is also rather inciteful without some inherent biases i found in sagan's work.
sagan's book is pretty good too. Try reading michael shermer's "why people believe weird things." That is also rather inciteful without some inherent biases i found in sagan's work.
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Originally Posted by steve c,Dec 2 2004, 02:11 AM
I'd ask him to kill all the stupid christians who seem to be trying to take over our country. That is if I believed in jesus in the first place -- which I don't -- he is right up there with Santa Clause and the toothe fairy in my view.
Seriously, this jesus shit is out of hand. I'm all for stupid people buying into religion as we need an easy way to control the morons, but enough is enough when it comes to folks running the country.
In the past you could count on only the clueless idiots buying into religion, things have changed it seems -- or the politicians have realized that pretending to share some beliefs can be a big benefit. I don't see how anyone could be smart enough to run for and be elected president and actually be stupid enough to believe in christianity. Common sense and a few hours reading should be enough to convince anyone with half a brain that christianity (and every other religion) is a load of crap.
Seriously, this jesus shit is out of hand. I'm all for stupid people buying into religion as we need an easy way to control the morons, but enough is enough when it comes to folks running the country.
In the past you could count on only the clueless idiots buying into religion, things have changed it seems -- or the politicians have realized that pretending to share some beliefs can be a big benefit. I don't see how anyone could be smart enough to run for and be elected president and actually be stupid enough to believe in christianity. Common sense and a few hours reading should be enough to convince anyone with half a brain that christianity (and every other religion) is a load of crap.
Jesus of Nazareth, unlike Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, was/is an actual being. The record of his existence has been proven through careful examination of Roman census records.
Jesus is only the savior to about 34% of the world's population, while about 20% see him as a great prophet.
Your complaint seems to be with blind faith, which is understandable. It is difficult to place large amounts of trust in something that is not tangible. However, claiming that Christianity and religion is a load of crap that can be deciphered with a few hours of studying is great display of ignorance.
Try reading "Summa Theologica" by Thomas Aquinas for the pro-God/religion argument and then read "Human, all too Human" by Friedrich Nietzsche for the anti-Christianity argument. Somewhere in between, you may find that the importance of religion is more than just to "control the morons."
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Originally Posted by dbjb,Dec 2 2004, 03:58 PM
not up to speed on your political theory, eh?
Jesus of Nazareth, unlike Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, was/is an actual being. The record of his existence has been proven through careful examination of Roman census records.
Jesus is only the savior to about 34% of the world's population, while about 20% see him as a great prophet.
Your complaint seems to be with blind faith, which is understandable. It is difficult to place large amounts of trust in something that is not tangible. However, claiming that Christianity and religion is a load of crap that can be deciphered with a few hours of studying is great display of ignorance.
Try reading "Summa Theologica" by Thomas Aquinas for the pro-God/religion argument and then read "Human, all too Human" by Friedrich Nietzsche for the anti-Christianity argument. Somewhere in between, you may find that the importance of religion is more than just to "control the morons."
Jesus of Nazareth, unlike Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, was/is an actual being. The record of his existence has been proven through careful examination of Roman census records.
Jesus is only the savior to about 34% of the world's population, while about 20% see him as a great prophet.
Your complaint seems to be with blind faith, which is understandable. It is difficult to place large amounts of trust in something that is not tangible. However, claiming that Christianity and religion is a load of crap that can be deciphered with a few hours of studying is great display of ignorance.
Try reading "Summa Theologica" by Thomas Aquinas for the pro-God/religion argument and then read "Human, all too Human" by Friedrich Nietzsche for the anti-Christianity argument. Somewhere in between, you may find that the importance of religion is more than just to "control the morons."
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I can only really say two things that have nothing to do with faith.
One, objects in motion stay in motion unless acted upon. Objects at rest stay at rest unless acted upon. ( we are in motion and believed to be at rest at some point.)
Two, there aren't too many people that have changed the world like jesus has. A man 2000 years ago still changing the way people think and act today.
Mathematically, the possibility of earth being in the right place for humans and animals to exist is miniscule.
Now thats thinking outside the box.
One, objects in motion stay in motion unless acted upon. Objects at rest stay at rest unless acted upon. ( we are in motion and believed to be at rest at some point.)
Two, there aren't too many people that have changed the world like jesus has. A man 2000 years ago still changing the way people think and act today.
Mathematically, the possibility of earth being in the right place for humans and animals to exist is miniscule.
Now thats thinking outside the box.