When they talk about better graphics, they don't mean hardware, most of the hardware is the same as the PC side. There is better software support for graphic artist types on the Mac, period. We're not talking about super 3d half life 2 type stuff, we're talking about paint brushes and magazine publishing. So you have to get your definition of graphics stratight before you start comparing. Macs (now) aren't horrible when it comes to networks, whatever you've experienced has probably been a configuration error.

You say Mac users tend to have an ego and get very defensive...well you're displaying the same from the flip side.

Macs are overpriced for the specs they have - you can't put a price on the work they do, that is up to the person that uses it.

 

yes. finally. thanks yogi for settling it. i dont know. i hate macs even though i have to administer them everyday for work. buts that mee

 

what do you hate about Macs besides they are "overpriced?"

if you don't like a one button mouse, don't get one? you said my mouse was a "PC" mouse. now, look at the logitech MX500 box. "Optimized for XP, Optimized for Mac OS X"
not just Windows. The software works on Mac OS too.

and overpriced, well that is relative to what you do with the computer. if you spend 10,000 dollars on the most expensive Mac you can get and another 10 g's on software, but you make 100,000 dollars off it a year, isn't it worth it? same goes for the PC. you work on which ever OS you like better. but no matter what you say, both OS's have their Pros and Cons. Weigh them to your liking

but meh, it isn't overpriced. I paid for the stability, ease of use, the GUI, the UNIX core, and the invulnerability of random spyware sites (easily done on the PC by DLing Firefox ) and viruses. Expensive yes, but not overpriced. Yes, some of you say Windows doesn't crash at all and every Mac you've used crashes, ok, then don't use Macs. If Mac's crashed every day for me, I wouldn't be using it either.

But I had to take a hell of a job protecting my computer from everything, and to this day, my Windows box still runs ME fine and it is my printer server. I went to my friend's house, and man, her computer was taken over. Not everyone is a geek like us Of course I installed pop up blockers for her and adaware and told her to use it, but there is nothing like that on Mac.

I pay for the whole package, not just the hardware (which isn't that bad ). Not to mention it looks damn good if I do not say so myself

trust me, i know I may be 15, but damn, i researched 4 years and I've always wanted a Mac. (same with the S2000, DarKCRow knows, man where is that fooo anyways)

I had some high ass expectations for the Mac, I practically knew everything one could know without owning one, and so far, it hasn't dissapointed

 

i dislike mac because of the 1button mouse and i dont want to set up another mouse to use the right click feature like the way it is used in windows

mac osx10 owns in terms of desktop prettyness. but the simple-minded user interface just overkills it for me. whenever i want to change stuff. i'd have to use the search in finder to find out how i can change stuff.

the lack of software mac has and how late it is in the market for mac to get support.

it is not upgradeable or expandable like pc.

i do heavy 3d graphics and video editing. and the mac doesnt have the size of space like a pc would have. (please no. firewire is too slow compared to sata.)


i can't get the parts cheap like pc can. with mac. u have to buy apple brand stuff to get good quality. 3rd market stuff for mac is craptastic.

pc is just more open and versatile than mac. that is why i hate mac.
and i do tons of surfing and mac just blows at it. the window size is annoying. i can't switch between programs without delay(millisecond delay is annoying once you're use to fast pace environment).

 

You guys know that Apple has a copy of just about all their software that will work on an x86 (PC), right? Too bad we can't get our hands on it!

 

ok, just to clarify, if all you want to do is right click, all you have to do is get any god damn 2 button usb mouse and use it. the OS has it by default, it is control+click, and when you add a mouse, plug and play right click! the OS recognizes it immediately. wow, just as winbloze does it? YES. no!! impossible! oh yes, it does work.

you don't need to "set up" anything. all you need to do is plug it into the USB port. i just need to set it up because I want my scroll button click to be eject and expose. your god almighty upgradable underpriced PC would be the same way. right click on Mac is the EXACT same thing as right click on windows, plug it into the right port and it'll be fine.

if that's one of your gripes, leave it alone because it is easily solved with a 5 dollar USB mouse. any windows USB mouse will do also.

 

Okay, that's dumb...but what I think you're trying to say (and what I feel) is the it's stupid for Apple to package a one button mouse with the computer. It seems like they're trying to make a statement that they are prettier and more simple. It's stupid, and almost every Mac user I've come across agrees as well, you need at least two buttons (plus a wheel) - it's just standard equipment now-a-days and it's ridiculous to have to go out and buy one because your shiny new Apple only has one button.

But to say that you don't want to setup another mouse is Setup? Unplug old mouse. Plugin new one. Done.

They have support, they've got quite a bit actually. And they've been in the market for awhile...but are only really strong in the graphic/publishing area. Ya can't say they suck all the time

I agree, parts aren't available like they are on the PC. The 3D market on macs are not craptastic. If you look at the newer Apples, they use just about the same hardware as PCs. They support both the ATI Radeon and NVIDIA GeForce (slightly different name tho) families of GPUs. Just because you can't go to Fry's and buy parts, doesn't mean the exist or is crappy...it just means there isn't demand for it. And that's what it comes down to. Most people with Macs don't tinker with their hardware, so there isn't a need for entire stores full of Mac hardware.

You find me a piece of hardware storage that can sustain high enough transfer rates to saturate a firewire connection, and you might have an argument...maybe.

I've never experienced a delay in window switching in OS X. There is a lot of extra eye candy built into OS X, much of which could be causing these delays, you just have to turn it off. Windows XP has the same issues, so it's a moot point. The window sizing is annoying because you are used to something else, that doesn't make it wrong, just different.

I say all this and I don't even have a Mac in the house I do use them often (no where near as much as PCs though), and for what it's worth, I kinda like 'em. I kinda like PCs too. Don't mean to pick on you s2000boi, ya just need to open your mind a bit

 

desktop prettyness. you make it sound like a joke.

simple minded user interface? why dontcha try terminal? that should be complex enough for you.

what kind of stuff do you want to change that requires a search in finder? does not make sense to me. maybe i'm too noob at this.

 

See, you didn't have to say that. It's a known fact that windows has much much more broader hardware support than Macs. I'm not sure about the # of drivers that come shipped with the OSs though, that might be a factor. But show me a windows PC that you can't plug a mouse into and it won't work....

Oh wait a second, you mean no! an apple couldn't possibly detect it...nevermind I get it now

 

Yea I don't get what he means either. Last time I checked XP's UI is pretty simple minded too...

S2000boi - do you only deal with OS 9 in your support job?