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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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See: Frank Jackson and his description of "Qualia".

Ah Sh!t I'll just give you the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

This is the knowledge you get when you spend money on a philosophy degree; practically useless but infinitely interesting.
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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NNY S2k,Jul 22 2008, 04:27 PM
If you don't know what a color is called buy a basic box of crayons, they are all marked for you.
That won't help. Without cheating, quickly name the predominant tone of the following Crayola colors:


1) Cornflower
2) Raw Umber
3) Timberwolf
4) Best Friends
5) Famous
6) Inch Worm
7) Periwinkle
8) Thistle
9) Orchid
10) Wisteria


Yeah.
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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Would it freak you all out if I told you see into the future and not the present? What you see is processed by the mind in an anticipatory basis, or foresight. For instance....a car coming at you....you see its image in the future to avoid an accident, as an example.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361623,00.html
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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GPMike,Jul 22 2008, 02:47 PM
Would it freak you all out if I told you see into the future and not the present? What you see is processed by the mind in an anticipatory basis, or foresight. For instance....a car coming at you....you see its image in the future to avoid an accident, as an example.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361623,00.html
That's just fox news bashing on liberals again.






















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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyCB,Jul 22 2008, 06:39 PM
That won't help. Without cheating, quickly name the predominant tone of the following Crayola colors:


1) Cornflower
2) Raw Umber
3) Timberwolf
4) Best Friends
5) Famous
6) Inch Worm
7) Periwinkle
8) Thistle
9) Orchid
10) Wisteria


Yeah.
I don't think those colors come in the basic box of 8.
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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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I've thought of this before and also decided it's not important.

However, on the color spectra question (what would it be like seeing a new color), I'd bet it would compare to people having a different range of hearing--no real value or difference unless you've never seen it before.

1. on hearing, people don't use near-outlying frequencies for anything, so you'd hear extra noise and catch some musical nuances.
2. what's the difference in 20/20 and 20/10 in practice?

to me, a better related question is more like 'how do people with autism perceive the world differently from me?' the ability to think "better" (however you choose to define it) is more powerful/valuable than the ability to perceive better IMO.

another interesting question to me is: how does the structure and innate strengths and weaknesses of a particular language affect the thinking and development direction of its society? as i spoke fluent finnish, i know that comparing the two, english has amazing precision in nouns and adjectives, while finnish (old finnish anyways) is much weaker in precision. finnish also has much better verb expressions.
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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NNY S2k,Jul 22 2008, 06:02 PM
I don't think those colors come in the basic box of 8.
They would if I designed it. And they'd all be black as night.
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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Generally, humans are able to see wavelengths of light between 380nm to 750 nm with peak sensitivity around 550nm (green). It's pretty consistent. Taking that into consideration, I'd gather we see colors the same (excluding those who are colorblind).

After all, we hear tone the same way. If you hear A440, you can usually mimic it. If you heard A440 differently from other people, you would be way off when you hummed it. It's all just wavelengths...light and sound behave similarly.
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Station,Jul 23 2008, 09:37 AM
Generally, humans are able to see wavelengths of light between 380nm to 750 nm with peak sensitivity around 550nm (green). It's pretty consistent. Taking that into consideration, I'd gather we see colors the same (excluding those who are colorblind).

After all, we hear tone the same way. If you hear A440, you can usually mimic it. If you heard A440 differently from other people, you would be way off when you hummed it. It's all just wavelengths...light and sound behave similarly.
Hmmm interesting point.

So you're saying that when people are tone deaf and sound like poop singing something back, it's because their voice can't mimic correctly, not because their ears don't know the difference?
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Old Jul 23, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyCB,Jul 23 2008, 07:47 AM
Hmmm interesting point.

So you're saying that when people are tone deaf and sound like poop singing something back, it's because their voice can't mimic correctly, not because their ears don't know the difference?
AGAIN:
For every trite thought... somebody has spent a career analyzing it using science:

"Painstaking experiments have yielded response curves for three different kind of cones in the retina of the human eye. The "green" and "red" cones are mostly packed into the fovea centralis. By population, about 64% of the cones are red-sensitive, about 32% green sensitive, and about 2% are blue sensitive. The "blue" cones have the highest sensitivity and are mostly found outside the fovea. The shapes of the curves are obtained by measurement of the absorption by the cones, but the relative heights for the three types are set equal for lack of detailed data. There are fewer blue cones, but the blue sensitivity is comparable to the others, so there must be some boosting mechanism. In the final visual perception, the three types seem to be comparable, but the detailed process of achieving this is not known. "

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