Testing - Multi Radio DCI for Eclipse HU's
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From: Rehoboth, MA
Prototype arrived today for testing. Replacing entire audio system. Installing equipment and Eclipse version of DCI this week. Stay tuned for results. The day Eclipse fans have been waiting for is at hand. 
Thank you Modifry!
UPDATE - 3/12/2004 - Testing found volume attenuation problem still exists on version #3. More information contained in thread.
Thank you Modifry!
UPDATE - 3/12/2004 - Testing found volume attenuation problem still exists on version #3. More information contained in thread.
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From: Rehoboth, MA
Testing in process.
Early results ... Modifry is almost there. He is working on compensating for Eclipse eccentricity of sending out signals for 2 volume increments instead of the normal increment of 1 with other HU's.
Other functions work as expected including speed/volume attenuator.
Controls respond quickly with no delay as expected
Early results ... Modifry is almost there. He is working on compensating for Eclipse eccentricity of sending out signals for 2 volume increments instead of the normal increment of 1 with other HU's.
Other functions work as expected including speed/volume attenuator.
Controls respond quickly with no delay as expected
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From: Indian Land SC
I need some feedback from Eclipse owners/fans.
It seems that some Eclipse HU come with or can use the "NOB" remote control. This remote has a volume wheel on it with a push-button in the center, and it works almost like the volume knob on the HU. On the HU you can press the center of the volume wheel to adjust bass, treble, balance and fader. Once you select what you want to adjust, you just turn the volume knob to adjust it - very simple.
When you want to adjust volume using the remote, you first must press the push-button once, then turn the wheel. It's an extra step that's not necessary if you use the HU knob but I guess they did that because it would be easy to accidentally turn the wheel on the remote and cause massive volume changes.
Anyway, the whole idea of the NOB function is to allow the volume wheel to control other HU settings. If you press the push-button twice the volume wheel then adjusts BASS. Press it again and you can adjust TREBLE. Balance And Fader functions are available with additional button presses.
When you stop pressing buttons for 5 seconds, it reverts back to a regular volume function for the next time you use it. So using the NOB remote allows quick Bass/treble adjustments without having to scroll through complicated menus or memorize other buttons. It's really a pretty cool feature.
Here's my question - is it worth incorporating this functionality in the Eclipse DCI? If so, how do we do it?
Right now each dash button has a specific function, so do I drop one of those functions (like MODE or BAND) to add the "NOB" feature? Is it worth that?
How about using a button-combo to perform the NOB function? I can change the DCI design slightly so if you hold MODE and press CH it does the NOB command, then you could use the dash volume control to adjust BASS. Two presses of MODE-CH would access the TREBLE adjustment. Just like the regular remote, once you are done adjusting and are "hands off" for 5 seconds the dash volume switch goes back to adjusting volume.
It might even be possible to move another function to the MODE-CH combo if you think you would use BASS/TREBLE more than, say, the BAND function, which is presently on the CH button. In this scenario you would have to hold MODE then press CH to change FM/AM bands, but it would put the NOB function on the CH button, which would make BASS/TREBLE adjustments really easy. Press CH twice, then adjust your BASS with the dash volume switch. Press CH again and adjust TREBLE.
So, is it worth the effort? Is adjusting Bass or Treble something you would use more if you had it on the dash controls? Is it worth changing the DCI design? Changing the existing design is my problem, but it could affect the cost, so what's acceptible?
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It seems that some Eclipse HU come with or can use the "NOB" remote control. This remote has a volume wheel on it with a push-button in the center, and it works almost like the volume knob on the HU. On the HU you can press the center of the volume wheel to adjust bass, treble, balance and fader. Once you select what you want to adjust, you just turn the volume knob to adjust it - very simple.
When you want to adjust volume using the remote, you first must press the push-button once, then turn the wheel. It's an extra step that's not necessary if you use the HU knob but I guess they did that because it would be easy to accidentally turn the wheel on the remote and cause massive volume changes.
Anyway, the whole idea of the NOB function is to allow the volume wheel to control other HU settings. If you press the push-button twice the volume wheel then adjusts BASS. Press it again and you can adjust TREBLE. Balance And Fader functions are available with additional button presses.
When you stop pressing buttons for 5 seconds, it reverts back to a regular volume function for the next time you use it. So using the NOB remote allows quick Bass/treble adjustments without having to scroll through complicated menus or memorize other buttons. It's really a pretty cool feature.
Here's my question - is it worth incorporating this functionality in the Eclipse DCI? If so, how do we do it?
Right now each dash button has a specific function, so do I drop one of those functions (like MODE or BAND) to add the "NOB" feature? Is it worth that?
How about using a button-combo to perform the NOB function? I can change the DCI design slightly so if you hold MODE and press CH it does the NOB command, then you could use the dash volume control to adjust BASS. Two presses of MODE-CH would access the TREBLE adjustment. Just like the regular remote, once you are done adjusting and are "hands off" for 5 seconds the dash volume switch goes back to adjusting volume.
It might even be possible to move another function to the MODE-CH combo if you think you would use BASS/TREBLE more than, say, the BAND function, which is presently on the CH button. In this scenario you would have to hold MODE then press CH to change FM/AM bands, but it would put the NOB function on the CH button, which would make BASS/TREBLE adjustments really easy. Press CH twice, then adjust your BASS with the dash volume switch. Press CH again and adjust TREBLE.
So, is it worth the effort? Is adjusting Bass or Treble something you would use more if you had it on the dash controls? Is it worth changing the DCI design? Changing the existing design is my problem, but it could affect the cost, so what's acceptible?
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From: WA
modifry,
off topic, but i was wondering if you knew if there were some sony dci's avaliable for immediate shippment on lucid's site? same with the remote dci's. i emailed lucid but have yet to receive a response.
or are they a custom job sent to you when an order is placed? thanks modifry.
mike
off topic, but i was wondering if you knew if there were some sony dci's avaliable for immediate shippment on lucid's site? same with the remote dci's. i emailed lucid but have yet to receive a response.
or are they a custom job sent to you when an order is placed? thanks modifry.
mike
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From: Layton
If you could do the combo button and adjust it with the volume control would be awsome. But if you have to get rid of a button, MODE or CH, then I would say no. I guess the big question would be how much COST is affected. For less than $40 I would say sure, but more than that wouldn't be worth it to me. Just my $.02.
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My opinion is to just leave the dash controls simple. If you were to incorporate a bunch of combo button selections to adjust bass, treble, etc. I don't think the average person would use them at all. I for one don't adjust all of those settings very often. If the treble needs to be adjusted on one of those rare occasions I'd flip open the radio door and adjust it there. JMO