Clash Of the 500HP Titans
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Originally Posted by Spoolin,Oct 17 2010, 12:14 PM
Ok, who the F*** would ever just try and go from a 1st gear roll run without even brake spooling the turbo? Thats just stupid and you cant compare the SC to a Turbo unless you do this.
Second, the meatier the HP curve the faster the car will be every time. Reason being is that every time you shift gears, you are still at a good part of the power curve and wont fall into lower power and have to build back up. For instance, if you are making 550 whp by 5500 rpm and your peak whp is 600 at 9000 rpm, every time you shift at 9000 rpm, you will still be in the at least 550 whp range. Now, with a SC having a peak of 600 whp, every time you shift gears, you will be falling down to about 400 whp and you have to build it back up to get the power back.
Meaty power with a well suited turbo to spool quick over linear power of big turbo's and SC's all day long.
Second, the meatier the HP curve the faster the car will be every time. Reason being is that every time you shift gears, you are still at a good part of the power curve and wont fall into lower power and have to build back up. For instance, if you are making 550 whp by 5500 rpm and your peak whp is 600 at 9000 rpm, every time you shift at 9000 rpm, you will still be in the at least 550 whp range. Now, with a SC having a peak of 600 whp, every time you shift gears, you will be falling down to about 400 whp and you have to build it back up to get the power back.
Meaty power with a well suited turbo to spool quick over linear power of big turbo's and SC's all day long.
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Originally Posted by ILoveMYHonda1984,Oct 17 2010, 09:55 PM
I love seeing the arguments on here on the turbo/sc debate. I had a sc vw jetta vr6 I used as a daily for 3 years no problems. When I bought the S, I told myself I was going to try a turbo setup. But after all the research I did and reading up on too many posts on here, I chose to go sc again. Is it the only way? NO. Its what I wanted and I decided to go a little bigger than the typical 350whp S2000 just to see what it could do.
I love driving Scotts car. Its a great setup, very clean, and runs as close to a stock tune as you can get. If I had two S2000s Id have a turbo on the other one. Although, Id build my car the same way it is now if I had to do it over again.
On that note, just take in what a 500whp car turbo vs. sc can be. Like Scott said, both cars are fun as hell to drive.
I love driving Scotts car. Its a great setup, very clean, and runs as close to a stock tune as you can get. If I had two S2000s Id have a turbo on the other one. Although, Id build my car the same way it is now if I had to do it over again.
On that note, just take in what a 500whp car turbo vs. sc can be. Like Scott said, both cars are fun as hell to drive.
I love this video!
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I think that was a great vid, the cars seem pretty even. I do however like the idea of the SOS SC over the turbo, it seems similar HP can be made with less time, money, parts and is probably more reliable in the long run. I was very impressed with the SOS SC, cause I thought the mase kit would rip it up, man I was wrong. They are both very nice cars.
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this is what i managed to do with my SC setup (359 whp) @ 8.5 psi
Position Car Best time
1 Ferrari Scuderia (R comp tires) 1.17.379
2 KTM Xbow (R comp tires) 1.17.690
3 Caterham (R comp tires) 1.17.921
4 EVO-8 (slick tires and highly modified) 1.18.050
5 KTM Xbow (R comp tires) 1.18.186
6 Porsche GT3RS (R comp tires) 1.18.262
7 EVO-8 (slick tires and highly modified) 1.19.470
8 Porsche GT3RS (R comp tires) 1.19.903
9 KTM Xbow (R comp tires) 1.19.991
10 BMW Z4M (unknown mods, R comps) 1.20.590
11 HONDA S2000 SC (street tires) 1.20.658
12 Porsche 997 Turbo 1.20.806
13 2009 Nissan GTR (R comp tires) 1.20.907
14 Caterham (R comp tires) 1.21.276
15 350Z Twin Turbo 1.21.922
16 Labmorgini LP560 1.21.989
17 Porsche GT3RS (R comp tires) 1.22.045
18 Lotus Exige S240 (R comp tires) 1.22.417
19 Audi R8 1.22.788
20 Porsche 997 Turbo (modified) 1.22.990
21 Cadillac CTS-V (R comp tires) 1.24.401
22 EVO-X 430whp (Street tires) 1.26.249
23 Porsche GT2 (R comps) 1.26.415
24 350Z N/A (unknown mods) 1.26.616
25 EVO-X 430whp (Street tires) 1.27.145
26 Audi RS4 1.27.554
27 BMW M3 2009 1.28.124
28 Audi S8 1.28.556
29 Audi RS4 1.28.814
30 VW Golf R32 1.29.692
31 BMW M5 2008 1.29.861
32 BMW M6 (modified) 1.30.376
33 Porsche Gemballa 993 Turbo 1.31.000
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Position Car Best time
1 Ferrari Scuderia (R comp tires) 1.17.379
2 KTM Xbow (R comp tires) 1.17.690
3 Caterham (R comp tires) 1.17.921
4 EVO-8 (slick tires and highly modified) 1.18.050
5 KTM Xbow (R comp tires) 1.18.186
6 Porsche GT3RS (R comp tires) 1.18.262
7 EVO-8 (slick tires and highly modified) 1.19.470
8 Porsche GT3RS (R comp tires) 1.19.903
9 KTM Xbow (R comp tires) 1.19.991
10 BMW Z4M (unknown mods, R comps) 1.20.590
11 HONDA S2000 SC (street tires) 1.20.658
12 Porsche 997 Turbo 1.20.806
13 2009 Nissan GTR (R comp tires) 1.20.907
14 Caterham (R comp tires) 1.21.276
15 350Z Twin Turbo 1.21.922
16 Labmorgini LP560 1.21.989
17 Porsche GT3RS (R comp tires) 1.22.045
18 Lotus Exige S240 (R comp tires) 1.22.417
19 Audi R8 1.22.788
20 Porsche 997 Turbo (modified) 1.22.990
21 Cadillac CTS-V (R comp tires) 1.24.401
22 EVO-X 430whp (Street tires) 1.26.249
23 Porsche GT2 (R comps) 1.26.415
24 350Z N/A (unknown mods) 1.26.616
25 EVO-X 430whp (Street tires) 1.27.145
26 Audi RS4 1.27.554
27 BMW M3 2009 1.28.124
28 Audi S8 1.28.556
29 Audi RS4 1.28.814
30 VW Golf R32 1.29.692
31 BMW M5 2008 1.29.861
32 BMW M6 (modified) 1.30.376
33 Porsche Gemballa 993 Turbo 1.31.000
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I would like to see a SOT kit vs a turbo with the same amount of HP. Might as well throw in a SOS kit as well. Unfortantly it would probably have to be around 350 hp until somone puts a MP90 or TVS1320 blower on.
Great video though
Great video though
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Oct 17 2010, 09:59 PM
No doubt and fun as hell feeling that Turbo boost, but drag racing is but a small fraction of what this car can do. As far as whats integral to the car ....and being a well rounded performer... which a good sport car should do.... I'd pick the SC all day long, its a quicker road course set up every time. Its handling/power is more predictable, manageable and tractable. You don't brake boost on corner exits etc. But depends on what your building for, a S2000 that can hang with any exotic on a road course and strait line... or just in a strait line? I prefer a car that can dominate in every aspect. If as much proper attention goes into the rest of that 500whp SC car ...expect fantastic things on the road course with a skilled driver to push it to its limits.
It was a perfectly rounded car, insta-spool, combined with a solid top end, hard to beat imo.
It's all about sizing the turbo for your intended application.
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Originally Posted by siadam,Oct 18 2010, 08:53 AM
I disagree. I felt my 30r setup was retarded. ALOT of ways I really miss that setup.
It was a perfectly rounded car, insta-spool, combined with a solid top end, hard to beat imo.
It's all about sizing the turbo for your intended application.
It was a perfectly rounded car, insta-spool, combined with a solid top end, hard to beat imo.
It's all about sizing the turbo for your intended application.
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Originally Posted by Revenge,Oct 18 2010, 07:07 AM
I do however like the idea of the SOS SC over the turbo, it seems similar HP can be made with less time, money, parts and is probably more reliable in the long run.
I would definatly not go as far to say it is cheaper b/c by the time you load up the kit with all the options you are going to need you hit the price of the turbo kit. As for easier, I would also not say that it is just as easy or easier to install a turbo kit espescially the Mase or PTunning.