Kings performance Rebuilt built engine.
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Originally Posted by NWDyno' timestamp='1434997059' post='23656317
They were "KP Spec" pistons as they label every off the shelf part that they use on their cars "KP Spec"
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Sorry that happen to you, I know going for more power takes time and money. I might of missed what he charge you for the motor build, but usually a ERL sleeve long block goes for $1500+core+shipping, Arias piston and Carrillo rods and assembly could be another $1500-2000. I go to a shop local to me in Chicago and they have been great. When looking for a 1000+hp motor for my Civic, they where selling a full built motor minus intake manifold and ignition for $8000, same motor them and other guys use for SFWD.
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Im sorry to hear about this experience. This seems like a headache and a half. As is the case unfortunately for most builds when shooting for big power. But correct me if Im wrong, you purchased a USED longblock from back in 2011??? If this was a completely new rebuilt motor purchased through them I could understand the frustration but I dont think that was the case. This was a used engine that sat for years before you did anything with it and he still stood by it and payed out of pocket for a new sleeved block, new rings, machining and shipping both ways over seas? As the owner and operator of my own Automotive repair and performance shop I can say I would never stand by something used from that many years ago like he has. Im confused as to why your upset after he did all that? As far as issues after the rebuild there are countless other factors that come into play with this aftermarket, "race car" stuff with other parts, other hands involved, tuning, normal mishaps, etc... From a shop owners standpoint I myself seldom warranty anything that wast a normal repair or replacement that wasnt directly the result of something I did.
I may seem biased, but I deal with many of the shops over here on the east coast of the USA and I can say without a doubt, Fernando and the entire team at Kings Performance is the best guys to deal with. They have always been the front runners in what the promote. Always testing and pushing the limits of everything before they offer it. What is throwing me off so much about this post is your concern and frustration with their customer service. It sounds like they has already gone above and beyond to take care of you and this post is coming of extremely negative, slandering their name. I have dealt with Fernando and the team since before Kings Performance was established back when they were CFT. Since day one Fernando dealt with me directly and he did everything in his power to help me bounce back from getting completely shafted by Ken Peak of (the former) Peakboost. Not to get off topic, but THAT is a situation to be upset and rant about on the forums. I was out $6,000 for a turbo kit and never received anything before he ran away with countless peoples parts and money. I was beyond frustrated, to the point I was ready to give up on having a "fun" car for awhile. If it wasn't for Fernando's help and advice I probably wouldn't be where I am today with a record setting S2000, and owner of my own repair and performance shop. A shop that to this day we still deal primarily with Kings Performance for our aftermarket and racing support simply because (after dealing with several other shops all up and down the east coast) their prices are great, they are the front runners in performance in all the cars they push to promote, and above all their customer service is second to none. Fernando ALWAYS goes above and beyond all expectations with customer support for myself, his customers, and even my customers that were not directly through Kings.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and of course you are free to post about what you feel is a bad experience. I'm sorry to go off on a bit of a rant, but I get a little defensive when I feel I went through a MUCH worse experience with another company and Fernando and the Kings Performance team was the light at the end of the tunnel for me. I hope you figure everything out and resolve everything. Good luck.
-Jeremy Sunkel Owner/Operator Elevated Automotive
I may seem biased, but I deal with many of the shops over here on the east coast of the USA and I can say without a doubt, Fernando and the entire team at Kings Performance is the best guys to deal with. They have always been the front runners in what the promote. Always testing and pushing the limits of everything before they offer it. What is throwing me off so much about this post is your concern and frustration with their customer service. It sounds like they has already gone above and beyond to take care of you and this post is coming of extremely negative, slandering their name. I have dealt with Fernando and the team since before Kings Performance was established back when they were CFT. Since day one Fernando dealt with me directly and he did everything in his power to help me bounce back from getting completely shafted by Ken Peak of (the former) Peakboost. Not to get off topic, but THAT is a situation to be upset and rant about on the forums. I was out $6,000 for a turbo kit and never received anything before he ran away with countless peoples parts and money. I was beyond frustrated, to the point I was ready to give up on having a "fun" car for awhile. If it wasn't for Fernando's help and advice I probably wouldn't be where I am today with a record setting S2000, and owner of my own repair and performance shop. A shop that to this day we still deal primarily with Kings Performance for our aftermarket and racing support simply because (after dealing with several other shops all up and down the east coast) their prices are great, they are the front runners in performance in all the cars they push to promote, and above all their customer service is second to none. Fernando ALWAYS goes above and beyond all expectations with customer support for myself, his customers, and even my customers that were not directly through Kings.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and of course you are free to post about what you feel is a bad experience. I'm sorry to go off on a bit of a rant, but I get a little defensive when I feel I went through a MUCH worse experience with another company and Fernando and the Kings Performance team was the light at the end of the tunnel for me. I hope you figure everything out and resolve everything. Good luck.
-Jeremy Sunkel Owner/Operator Elevated Automotive
Sorry but Glen bought an Engine that should have being re-freshed before shipment, the time the engine stood is irrelevant it was supplied with broken cam carriers and stripped threads, Glen had to spend a lot of time correcting things that should never have even left the workshop, this is very very poor workmanship.
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Identical situation to my Urge engine, Glenn, and it's a sickening feeling when alyou get all this 'we've built dozens of engines' stuff.
Being in the U.S. It's all to easy for companies to take your money and run for the hills. The smart thing to do is offer some sort of olive branch, but turning it around and defending themselves / pointing the blame at the customer really is baffling. Hopefully it doesn't come to that for you and it sounds like relations have been good until recently.
I too had a real moral dilemma posting up, I've never done it before but the attitude pushed me over the edge. Ultimately this is a community and its to share info, and as long as you're 100% factual, it allows others to decide if they would choose to do business with a supplier.
Being in the U.S. It's all to easy for companies to take your money and run for the hills. The smart thing to do is offer some sort of olive branch, but turning it around and defending themselves / pointing the blame at the customer really is baffling. Hopefully it doesn't come to that for you and it sounds like relations have been good until recently.
I too had a real moral dilemma posting up, I've never done it before but the attitude pushed me over the edge. Ultimately this is a community and its to share info, and as long as you're 100% factual, it allows others to decide if they would choose to do business with a supplier.
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Im sorry to hear about this experience. This seems like a headache and a half. As is the case unfortunately for most builds when shooting for big power. But correct me if Im wrong, you purchased a USED longblock from back in 2011??? If this was a completely new rebuilt motor purchased through them I could understand the frustration but I dont think that was the case. This was a used engine that sat for years before you did anything with it and he still stood by it and payed out of pocket for a new sleeved block, new rings, machining and shipping both ways over seas? As the owner and operator of my own Automotive repair and performance shop I can say I would never stand by something used from that many years ago like he has. Im confused as to why your upset after he did all that? As far as issues after the rebuild there are countless other factors that come into play with this aftermarket, "race car" stuff with other parts, other hands involved, tuning, normal mishaps, etc... From a shop owners standpoint I myself seldom warranty anything that wast a normal repair or replacement that wasnt directly the result of something I did.
I may seem biased, but I deal with many of the shops over here on the east coast of the USA and I can say without a doubt, Fernando and the entire team at Kings Performance is the best guys to deal with. They have always been the front runners in what the promote. Always testing and pushing the limits of everything before they offer it. What is throwing me off so much about this post is your concern and frustration with their customer service. It sounds like they has already gone above and beyond to take care of you and this post is coming of extremely negative, slandering their name. I have dealt with Fernando and the team since before Kings Performance was established back when they were CFT. Since day one Fernando dealt with me directly and he did everything in his power to help me bounce back from getting completely shafted by Ken Peak of (the former) Peakboost. Not to get off topic, but THAT is a situation to be upset and rant about on the forums. I was out $6,000 for a turbo kit and never received anything before he ran away with countless peoples parts and money. I was beyond frustrated, to the point I was ready to give up on having a "fun" car for awhile. If it wasn't for Fernando's help and advice I probably wouldn't be where I am today with a record setting S2000, and owner of my own repair and performance shop. A shop that to this day we still deal primarily with Kings Performance for our aftermarket and racing support simply because (after dealing with several other shops all up and down the east coast) their prices are great, they are the front runners in performance in all the cars they push to promote, and above all their customer service is second to none. Fernando ALWAYS goes above and beyond all expectations with customer support for myself, his customers, and even my customers that were not directly through Kings.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and of course you are free to post about what you feel is a bad experience. I'm sorry to go off on a bit of a rant, but I get a little defensive when I feel I went through a MUCH worse experience with another company and Fernando and the Kings Performance team was the light at the end of the tunnel for me. I hope you figure everything out and resolve everything. Good luck.
-Jeremy Sunkel Owner/Operator Elevated Automotive
I may seem biased, but I deal with many of the shops over here on the east coast of the USA and I can say without a doubt, Fernando and the entire team at Kings Performance is the best guys to deal with. They have always been the front runners in what the promote. Always testing and pushing the limits of everything before they offer it. What is throwing me off so much about this post is your concern and frustration with their customer service. It sounds like they has already gone above and beyond to take care of you and this post is coming of extremely negative, slandering their name. I have dealt with Fernando and the team since before Kings Performance was established back when they were CFT. Since day one Fernando dealt with me directly and he did everything in his power to help me bounce back from getting completely shafted by Ken Peak of (the former) Peakboost. Not to get off topic, but THAT is a situation to be upset and rant about on the forums. I was out $6,000 for a turbo kit and never received anything before he ran away with countless peoples parts and money. I was beyond frustrated, to the point I was ready to give up on having a "fun" car for awhile. If it wasn't for Fernando's help and advice I probably wouldn't be where I am today with a record setting S2000, and owner of my own repair and performance shop. A shop that to this day we still deal primarily with Kings Performance for our aftermarket and racing support simply because (after dealing with several other shops all up and down the east coast) their prices are great, they are the front runners in performance in all the cars they push to promote, and above all their customer service is second to none. Fernando ALWAYS goes above and beyond all expectations with customer support for myself, his customers, and even my customers that were not directly through Kings.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and of course you are free to post about what you feel is a bad experience. I'm sorry to go off on a bit of a rant, but I get a little defensive when I feel I went through a MUCH worse experience with another company and Fernando and the Kings Performance team was the light at the end of the tunnel for me. I hope you figure everything out and resolve everything. Good luck.
-Jeremy Sunkel Owner/Operator Elevated Automotive
When I initually purchased the engine I told Fernando it would be a long term project and would buying the engine at that stage be a bit premature? He answered by telling me that provided I follewed the steps he told me it wouldn't be a problem.
I paid for new shells,Pistons and head gasket,when the engine was stripped by my tuner initially the head gasket hadn't been replaced,it may be presumptuous of me but I would suspect neither the rings or the shells had been changed either.....but I could be wrong and the Pistons had so much det damage and the bores were so badly scored that fitting piston rings to them without mentioning it seem a little unprofessional to say the least......but that is my opinion,no proof of that.
Nobody was more suprised than me when Fernando offered to rebuild the engine and pay for shipping both ways,I couldn't have asked for better after sales service.
The block was damaged beyond repair by the shipping company so re using that was never an option.
Although I don't know the setup at Kings I suspect that Fernando has not even seen the engine and just sent the job directly to his engine builder.It seems unfair to me that Fernando is taking all the Flack for what is clearly an extremely incompetent engine builder.
It's not so much the fact that the opertunity of a rebuilt engine has been squandered for the sake of penny pinching.Its more the fact that it is costing me a fortune in both time and money,not to mention the loss of use that I am having to endure.
It would have been Cheaper easier and for more convenient if I had rebuilt the engine myself when it first failed.If that sounds like I'm being ungrateful it's not,its more a case of I have spent a lot of time and money on this car and I am being deprived of the opportunity to enjoy it.
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Mr-pitts i don't know exactly what transpired in your situation, however I don't work for kings performance and don't receive any credit for what I'm about to say.
First I'm going to start by saying that I'm 2011 I sentence car over 1100 miles from NY to FL for my 8 sec goal 1000hp build to induction performance, if you are I tersted in taking a look you can by searching the build thread. It took 1 1/2 years to build and spent over $40,000 of my hard earned money only to get a call from Vic at induction performance that the motor that they built for me (I have receipts for everything) dropped a valve and trashed not only my "race motor but my $3200 turbo that I purchased from them new. After going back and forth Vic described the damage very minor and said they motor could be repaired and welded, after that statement I cut my losses and moved on to achieve my life long goal. I contacted kings performance and had them pick the car up for me from induction In Tampa to kings in Orlando. Fernando sourced out a used long block that they built sleeved and so on, car received a 8.50 cage along with the and other touches, went from a shop that was all talk to fast forward down the road the goal was accomplished. I have finally seen my car over 1000whp. Now the quest for 8s was a solid transmission and some tweaks away. After having them build and tune the car, the car kept having transmission problems, causing serious shifting problems and resulting in me needing an engine rebuild. Same v160 that induction performance sold me completely rebuilt which I then sent to jacks transmission shop and stated it was never rebuilt. Once I have receivedy stage 3 v160 from jacks I sold it and installed the dogbox. Once they installed the dogbox, next track outing the car went 8s without a hiccup. Keep in mind all this was accomplished by phone, as I have never met kings performance before nor the entire team. For the first time in my life I have met them at Mir World Cup finals in 2014 and they treated me like family, and even let me stay in the RV they rented for the weekend not charging me a dime.Now with all that being said I can understand the frustration in spending so much money and time and not be able to get any joy out of it, as I myself work really hard for my money and its not easy to save up and restart all over. Also for the record when you take a motor that makes 240hp crank and make 4-5 times more than that I don't care who built it sooner than later it's gonna break, part of the game. As for what could have happened with your build there could numerous variations that went wrong. If you had them build and tune the car from start to finish id say yes you can point the finger. But since you had more than one person Involved in building the car I would consider the other sources.
First I'm going to start by saying that I'm 2011 I sentence car over 1100 miles from NY to FL for my 8 sec goal 1000hp build to induction performance, if you are I tersted in taking a look you can by searching the build thread. It took 1 1/2 years to build and spent over $40,000 of my hard earned money only to get a call from Vic at induction performance that the motor that they built for me (I have receipts for everything) dropped a valve and trashed not only my "race motor but my $3200 turbo that I purchased from them new. After going back and forth Vic described the damage very minor and said they motor could be repaired and welded, after that statement I cut my losses and moved on to achieve my life long goal. I contacted kings performance and had them pick the car up for me from induction In Tampa to kings in Orlando. Fernando sourced out a used long block that they built sleeved and so on, car received a 8.50 cage along with the and other touches, went from a shop that was all talk to fast forward down the road the goal was accomplished. I have finally seen my car over 1000whp. Now the quest for 8s was a solid transmission and some tweaks away. After having them build and tune the car, the car kept having transmission problems, causing serious shifting problems and resulting in me needing an engine rebuild. Same v160 that induction performance sold me completely rebuilt which I then sent to jacks transmission shop and stated it was never rebuilt. Once I have receivedy stage 3 v160 from jacks I sold it and installed the dogbox. Once they installed the dogbox, next track outing the car went 8s without a hiccup. Keep in mind all this was accomplished by phone, as I have never met kings performance before nor the entire team. For the first time in my life I have met them at Mir World Cup finals in 2014 and they treated me like family, and even let me stay in the RV they rented for the weekend not charging me a dime.Now with all that being said I can understand the frustration in spending so much money and time and not be able to get any joy out of it, as I myself work really hard for my money and its not easy to save up and restart all over. Also for the record when you take a motor that makes 240hp crank and make 4-5 times more than that I don't care who built it sooner than later it's gonna break, part of the game. As for what could have happened with your build there could numerous variations that went wrong. If you had them build and tune the car from start to finish id say yes you can point the finger. But since you had more than one person Involved in building the car I would consider the other sources.
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Mr-pitts i don't know exactly what transpired in your situation, however I don't work for kings performance and don't receive any credit for what I'm about to say.
First I'm going to start by saying that I'm 2011 I sentence car over 1100 miles from NY to FL for my 8 sec goal 1000hp build to induction performance, if you are I tersted in taking a look you can by searching the build thread. It took 1 1/2 years to build and spent over $40,000 of my hard earned money only to get a call from Vic at induction performance that the motor that they built for me (I have receipts for everything) dropped a valve and trashed not only my "race motor but my $3200 turbo that I purchased from them new. After going back and forth Vic described the damage very minor and said they motor could be repaired and welded, after that statement I cut my losses and moved on to achieve my life long goal. I contacted kings performance and had them pick the car up for me from induction In Tampa to kings in Orlando. Fernando sourced out a used long block that they built sleeved and so on, car received a 8.50 cage along with the and other touches, went from a shop that was all talk to fast forward down the road the goal was accomplished. I have finally seen my car over 1000whp. Now the quest for 8s was a solid transmission and some tweaks away. After having them build and tune the car, the car kept having transmission problems, causing serious shifting problems and resulting in me needing an engine rebuild. Same v160 that induction performance sold me completely rebuilt which I then sent to jacks transmission shop and stated it was never rebuilt. Once I have receivedy stage 3 v160 from jacks I sold it and installed the dogbox. Once they installed the dogbox, next track outing the car went 8s without a hiccup. Keep in mind all this was accomplished by phone, as I have never met kings performance before nor the entire team. For the first time in my life I have met them at Mir World Cup finals in 2014 and they treated me like family, and even let me stay in the RV they rented for the weekend not charging me a dime.Now with all that being said I can understand the frustration in spending so much money and time and not be able to get any joy out of it, as I myself work really hard for my money and its not easy to save up and restart all over. Also for the record when you take a motor that makes 240hp crank and make 4-5 times more than that I don't care who built it sooner than later it's gonna break, part of the game. As for what could have happened with your build there could numerous variations that went wrong. If you had them build and tune the car from start to finish id say yes you can point the finger. But since you had more than one person Involved in building the car I would consider the other sources.
First I'm going to start by saying that I'm 2011 I sentence car over 1100 miles from NY to FL for my 8 sec goal 1000hp build to induction performance, if you are I tersted in taking a look you can by searching the build thread. It took 1 1/2 years to build and spent over $40,000 of my hard earned money only to get a call from Vic at induction performance that the motor that they built for me (I have receipts for everything) dropped a valve and trashed not only my "race motor but my $3200 turbo that I purchased from them new. After going back and forth Vic described the damage very minor and said they motor could be repaired and welded, after that statement I cut my losses and moved on to achieve my life long goal. I contacted kings performance and had them pick the car up for me from induction In Tampa to kings in Orlando. Fernando sourced out a used long block that they built sleeved and so on, car received a 8.50 cage along with the and other touches, went from a shop that was all talk to fast forward down the road the goal was accomplished. I have finally seen my car over 1000whp. Now the quest for 8s was a solid transmission and some tweaks away. After having them build and tune the car, the car kept having transmission problems, causing serious shifting problems and resulting in me needing an engine rebuild. Same v160 that induction performance sold me completely rebuilt which I then sent to jacks transmission shop and stated it was never rebuilt. Once I have receivedy stage 3 v160 from jacks I sold it and installed the dogbox. Once they installed the dogbox, next track outing the car went 8s without a hiccup. Keep in mind all this was accomplished by phone, as I have never met kings performance before nor the entire team. For the first time in my life I have met them at Mir World Cup finals in 2014 and they treated me like family, and even let me stay in the RV they rented for the weekend not charging me a dime.Now with all that being said I can understand the frustration in spending so much money and time and not be able to get any joy out of it, as I myself work really hard for my money and its not easy to save up and restart all over. Also for the record when you take a motor that makes 240hp crank and make 4-5 times more than that I don't care who built it sooner than later it's gonna break, part of the game. As for what could have happened with your build there could numerous variations that went wrong. If you had them build and tune the car from start to finish id say yes you can point the finger. But since you had more than one person Involved in building the car I would consider the other sources.
I don't doubt what decent guys they are I get that from the comunicatins I've he'd with Fernando over the last 5 years
I built every single part of the car myself,that includes fitting clutches,fitting and removing engines and fuel systems.The only other perso to touch the car is my tuner.Nobody would touch my car if I didn't trust them 100%
Every single thing on the car apart from the engine is brand new,or it was brand new when it went on the road with a stock engine last year.
Severe piston slap isn't something you can map in or out.
