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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by camuman,Nov 11 2010, 07:58 AM
idk, every car i have tuned, or spoke to someone about the tune, or logged needed some timing removed in boost.

i mean stock timing is around 26-28 up top! at 8 psi i am down in the 20 range, at my current 10psi im in the 18 range on pump, and 20 on meth/water.

has anyone logged a car running 8psi on stock timing, pump gas no meth/water, and seen what timing its running, and what kinda knock volts, knock retard its getting?

everyone has to remember, the stock ecu will pull timing based on knock. so yeah, run it without the timing retard box, but the ecu might still be retarding it becuase its too much timing!
Base Comptech and SOS kit produce 6psi and offer no form of piggy back to reduce timing, the kits are rock solid reliable as you know. I'n my experience 8psi isn’t a problem either, the problem is getting enough fuel with the stock injectors if you have any supporting breathing mods. IAT plays a roll in detonation threshold as well. Fmic is very effective at keeping IAT in check which means you can run more boost and more timing. You run a roots which is a completely different scenario since your building max boost at 2500rpm… A centrifugal doesn’t build max boost until redline and follows the natural flow of the motor, its comparing apples and oranges.

I've been running 9psi on stock timign map/injectors with meth for a long time. I actually just put my 10.5psi pulley back on and retuned it for shits and giggles, I get no detonation anywhere in the rpm, even in the lower rpms before meth kicks in. But at 10psi I'm still only at 3psi at about 5k rpm.

To mugenrio. The point I was making with the e-manage is that unless you are savvy and can tune it yourself -- think about all hours and fuss over the years you have had with this unit to get to where you are now) How can you recommend it as a viable tuning solution for someone that is at the mercy of a paid tuner? I offered a solution that will give him trouble free reliable running that he wont have to fuss with and likely cheaper because he wont be dealing with taking it in for retunes every other month.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Nov 11 2010, 12:11 PM
To mugenrio. The point I was making with the e-manage is that unless you are savvy and can tune it yourself -- think about all hours and fuss over the years you have had with this unit to get to where you are now) How can you recommend it as a viable tuning solution for someone that is at the mercy of a paid tuner?
All the fuss I had was when Greddy said it would never even work with the S2000.
So they were offering no tec support what so ever.

When Benny was there I provided him/Greddy with a lot of info to help get it to work with the S2000.
( Man that was a long time a go) even had is direct line I call him so much LOL

It is a good option as long as you are not going extreme with your setup. And you either know how to tune and or have a local tuner that “knows” the ULT/
FYI the ULT is the first unit I tuned ever on any car. The ULT is where I started tuning LOL

If you are referring to all of the time I put in ( just over a year) messing with the tune when the SOT supercharger kit whet on the car. That time was not to fix problems with the ULT it tune or its hardware.
That time was spent setting up base maps for the SOT kit and ensuring that the ULT will work for a number of different environmental conditions be it from cold/ dry cold/humid to hot/dry and hot/humid with the SOT kit..
Actually most of that year was collecting data to figure out on the TPS vs Pressure VS Temp tables that are in the OEM PCM unit. This was done to ensure that any of my base maps would not fight the stock PCM at boost tip in and during the transition from open loop to closed loop conditions.

But you do have a point about being at the mercy of a paid tuner…
Like said in my last post there have been paid tuners that can't even adjust the ULT the correct way even when the unit is setup (spoon feed) for them with a solid basemap.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 08:38 AM
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[QUOTE=Angerman,Nov 11 2010, 12:08 PM] I couldn't find anything on a w/b feedback
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 08:43 AM
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So I’ve offered what I can Angerman, you will just have to decided which rout is going to serve your goal the best, and with the least amount of trouble/cost. Good luck with whatever set up you decide to utilize... and welcome to FI
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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I think I'm just going to save for a EMS Series 2, TBH. By the time I do all this piggyback crap and all the little things I need with it I would of spent just about the same amount of money either way. I feel I'll have more wiggle room with a stand-alone.

I just need to figure out what pulley/belt I need to have boost at ~8psi with the FMIC since it loses 3-4psi using it






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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Angerman,Nov 11 2010, 12:50 PM
I feel I'll have more wiggle room with a stand-alone.
For Standalone [b]Hondata[b/] FTW.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MugenRioS2k,Nov 11 2010, 09:58 AM
For Standalone [b]Hondata[b/] FTW.
That's like $1700!
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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After all the sensor and crap you need, if you’re lucky $1700 not including the tune!

If you want to pass emissions then that is your alternative, otherwise AEM, pick up a used one for $800, get it tuned $500-$700 and call it a day… you hope
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Nov 11 2010, 11:29 AM
After all the sensor and crap you need, if you’re lucky $1700 not including the tune!

If you want to pass emissions then that is your alternative, otherwise AEM, pick up a used one for $800, get it tuned $500-$700 and call it a day… you hope



Thanks for everyones input. I guess I am further away than I thought getting this thing put on.


I still need help with a pulley and belt. Because I think I need to order a new one
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MugenRioS2k,Nov 11 2010, 08:38 AM
Thanks Kerm

My recommendation is keep the ULT however you need to find a local tuner that has sufficient knowledge with the ULT to set it up and tune it properly. And I would go ahead and get 650cc injectors because I can see you wanting more power after a while. LOL

I have even set up “basemaps” for the SOT kits ( with the Greddy pressure sensor and W/B feedback) that turned out to be better tunes and make more power then after someone that “knew” the ult tried to improve the base map LOL.
The SOT kit with the ULT is my area of expertise.
thanks for the info, i've been always wanting to go higher with the EMU but everyone around me says otherwise.

perhaps i should have worded it differently, i'm not the type to throw out bad info so i was in a way speaking based on my experience. But you yourself said you're comfortable with the EMU up to 15psi which is close to mine.

Tell me something, since you seem to know more about the EMU than me, you mentioned something about the wideband feedback setup, Mike at FactorX says that the EMU is not fast enough to handle this function. Is this true? I don't have PLX only an AEM will this work?
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