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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
Free bump!

I read every ptuning post in the thread over the past two days. I skimmed through the rest, just to much to read! Such a quality kit, even with the few issues. Speaking of which, have the issues with the intake arm weld breaking and the motor mount weld breaking been solved? Alot of people seem to concentrate on other aspects of the kit, but as of right now im more concerneted about the two items i listed.

Im very excited to see the results of a 3576 on a f22 with pump gas and possibly a 3582 on a f22 with pump gas.

Id really like to do a gtx3576 build and compare the ptuning vs the sos kit i had!

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Thank you for the bump.

We added a triagulated bracing to our intake tube over a year ago.



In terms of the motor mount, we have never had any reported issues with the motor mount bracket. The bracket is very beefy and actually uses laser-cut notches to allow the arms to attach to the bracket plate before welding. If there were any issues though, we could very easily over-engineer the bracket to make it even stronger.

From our brief testing on a built Genesis 2.0T (comparing GTX3576R to GT3076R), we're pretty confident that the GTX3576R will perform well on the F22C engine. I'll predict 450+whp on our Dyno Dynamics dyno and 480-490+whp on a Dynojet with 93 pump gas, an efficient 3" exhaust system, and about 14-15 psi boost.

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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by immajackuup
Is ptune gonna make another kit using oem rad fan instead of spal??

also why Is ptune using only one aftermarket motor mount??
We only use one motor mount, because that's all we need. You can easily add an aftermarket driver's side mount if you wish.

The reason we developed our turbo system with an aftermarket 16" Spal fan is because we wanted to stick with 2.5" hotside piping and it is impossible to fit the pipe between the AC hard lines and passenger-side fan shroud without having them squished up against each other. Throw a thicker Koyo radiator into the mix and this becomes virtually impossible. We could have gone through the fender hole, but we didn't like the idea of removing the fender/headlight support bracket either.

We're working on a few optional cooling upgrades and will have more info on it in the next month or so.

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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kueda
Ptunning, I'm still waiting of the answer to this question. Is is possile to use other V-band turbo's with your kit? Like the soon to be released EFR 7163?

Also would you guys consider making a V-mount intercooler/rad kit? It has pretty much been proven to be the most efficient setup for keeping everything cool. I would love to run your Turbo kit with that setup.

SOS has one coming out for there Turbo kit and because of that they somwhat have my interest. Please level the playing field and take my money.
There is a company supposedly working on a SS V-Band turbine housing for the EFR turbos. If they do the smart thing and make the turbine inlet and outlet in the exact same position as the popular Tial housing, we may look into developing just a new intake tube to allow the EFR turbos to work with our turbo system.

We could definitely develop a totally badass V-mount intercooler/radiator/relocated condensor set-up. It would require a custom radiator and AC lines though. The question for us is would we be able to sell enough of them to justify the development time/costs.

Right now, with a Koyo radiator and our oil cooler system in place, we have no problems with overheating at the track (roadcourse). A V-mount set-up for us would be more about looks rather than function. Sure it would shorten the intercooler path, but the boost response we have now is really nothing that needs to be addressed. I guess we should look into starting a poll to gauge interest.

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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
Id really like to do a gtx3576 build and compare the ptuning vs the sos kit i had!
I can tell you the result now. The ptuning kit will shit on the sos kit in terms of power. A tubular manifold w/ a nice merge collector will beat a log style manifold any day of the week.
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ptuning
Originally Posted by kueda' timestamp='1387153131' post='22924058
Ptunning, I'm still waiting of the answer to this question. Is is possile to use other V-band turbo's with your kit? Like the soon to be released EFR 7163?

Also would you guys consider making a V-mount intercooler/rad kit? It has pretty much been proven to be the most efficient setup for keeping everything cool. I would love to run your Turbo kit with that setup.

SOS has one coming out for there Turbo kit and because of that they somwhat have my interest. Please level the playing field and take my money.
There is a company supposedly working on a SS V-Band turbine housing for the EFR turbos. If they do the smart thing and make the turbine inlet and outlet in the exact same position as the popular Tial housing, we may look into developing just a new intake tube to allow the EFR turbos to work with our turbo system.

We could definitely develop a totally badass V-mount intercooler/radiator/relocated condensor set-up. It would require a custom radiator and AC lines though. The question for us is would we be able to sell enough of them to justify the development time/costs.

Right now, with a Koyo radiator and our oil cooler system in place, we have no problems with overheating at the track (roadcourse). A V-mount set-up for us would be more about looks rather than function. Sure it would shorten the intercooler path, but the boost response we have now is really nothing that needs to be addressed. I guess we should look into starting a poll to gauge interest.

- Toan
Awesome! Thanks for the response Toan. I'm hoping they do produce a V band turbine that is compatible with your kit, none the less the garret turbo's look to be performing great.

I've always loved the shorter intercooler path of the V-mounts along with the better cooling benefits.

Please do start a poll to gauge interest. I'm sure there are more then a few who would be interested.
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ptuning
We could definitely develop a totally badass V-mount intercooler/radiator/relocated condensor set-up. It would require a custom radiator and AC lines though. The question for us is would we be able to sell enough of them to justify the development time/costs.

Right now, with a Koyo radiator and our oil cooler system in place, we have no problems with overheating at the track (roadcourse). A V-mount set-up for us would be more about looks rather than function. Sure it would shorten the intercooler path, but the boost response we have now is really nothing that needs to be addressed. I guess we should look into starting a poll to gauge interest.

- Toan
I myself would certainly be interested in something like this down the road. I've thought about how much work it'd be to run a smaller condenser to keep a/c (and give some clean airflow to the radiator). The only "issue" I imagine is that some people may not care for a custom condenser setup as many may just opt to remove the a/c. Also, I'm not sure if it would be cost prohibitive.

Regarding your kit on the track. Have you guys done extensive testing on a road course with your kit? It seems like many FI s2k's run fine with cooler ambient temps, but when temps get up into the 90's that's where problems pop up.
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowTeg
Originally Posted by Ptuning' timestamp='1387213612' post='22924907
We could definitely develop a totally badass V-mount intercooler/radiator/relocated condensor set-up. It would require a custom radiator and AC lines though. The question for us is would we be able to sell enough of them to justify the development time/costs.

Right now, with a Koyo radiator and our oil cooler system in place, we have no problems with overheating at the track (roadcourse). A V-mount set-up for us would be more about looks rather than function. Sure it would shorten the intercooler path, but the boost response we have now is really nothing that needs to be addressed. I guess we should look into starting a poll to gauge interest.

- Toan
I myself would certainly be interested in something like this down the road. I've thought about how much work it'd be to run a smaller condenser to keep a/c (and give some clean airflow to the radiator). The only "issue" I imagine is that some people may not care for a custom condenser setup as many may just opt to remove the a/c. Also, I'm not sure if it would be cost prohibitive.

Regarding your kit on the track. Have you guys done extensive testing on a road course with your kit? It seems like many FI s2k's run fine with cooler ambient temps, but when temps get up into the 90's that's where problems pop up.
What do consider extensive testing? There was a guy"Metros" who tracked his car quite a bit and had no overheating issues. He also had the optional oil cooler as well. I think if you want to track the car shielding like I have done would help tremendously. Keeping the boost lowered would also help. 8-10psi for a road course. Maybe up boost to 14 in 4th or higher gears. This kit and the SOS kit are probably the best for a road course.
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000442
What do consider extensive testing? There was a guy"Metros" who tracked his car quite a bit and had no overheating issues. He also had the optional oil cooler as well. I think if you want to track the car shielding like I have done would help tremendously. Keeping the boost lowered would also help. 8-10psi for a road course. Maybe up boost to 14 in 4th or higher gears. This kit and the SOS kit are probably the best for a road course.
I guess I specifically meant 90+ degree weather, 30 min sessions, not needing cool down laps. I remember metros commenting on tracking his car but I'm not sure what the conditions were. If you look in the R&C subforum, it seems many people have had issues with keeping water temps from rising throughout the session since the airflow to the radiator simply isn't enough (has to go through an IC -> condenser -> radiator (and maybe an oil cooler)). On a cooler day w/ ambient temps in the 70's overheating doesn't seem to be as big an issue, but on hotter days it does. I'm sure that's why SOS opted for a V mount on their track car, but they also aren't running a/c.
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 01:08 PM
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Toan,

Thank you for the reply! You posted a picture of exactly what I needed to see! Below is the post I was referring to. It seems the motor mount failed for Batbite, or perhaps the photo is showing something else...? My last question is, how does the "time attack red" powder coating match the factory color/wrinkle of the factory S2000 valve cover?

As far as the SOS vs Ptuning, I already know it will pull the rug under SOS's feet as far as hp/trq, as well as response and EVERYTHING else, I just didnt want to put it that way initially. I want people to see the main difference, and doing that on the same dyno will prove it even for the non believers.



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Originally Posted by Batbite
When I was under the car looking to see what was what.... I noticed that the PTuning passenger side motor mount had also craked all the way around




Andrew (or one of the other Cust Svc Guys) I'll give you a call in the am. I'm going to have a local shop Tig-Weld the DT, but I could use a bit of help with a rep Motor Mount.

Thx
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Old Dec 16, 2013 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
as well as response and EVERYTHING else, I just didnt want to put it that way initially. I want people to see the main difference, and doing that on the same dyno will prove it even for the non believers.
Huh? It sounds like you got the wrong kit (SOS kit) initially. If they overpromised you in the power department that's one thing, but both kits have their advantages. There are always advantages and disadvantages to every kit. I don't like the idea of an oil scavenging pump and different motor mount, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good kit for someone else. Power isn't everything to some people.
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