Safest supercharger setup
Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Apr 8 2009, 08:13 PM
Kind of takes the fun out of owning a close ratio 6 speed though doesn't it?
I'm sure it is a nice feeling though, allowing you to be more lazy, nothing wrong with that in traffic.
I'm sure it is a nice feeling though, allowing you to be more lazy, nothing wrong with that in traffic.
Originally Posted by Enlightened,Apr 9 2009, 03:02 AM
How is roots less reliable? More parasitic? Wouldn't you have to drive the car hard all the time to get less reliability?
Erik
Erik
Again this is a misnomer.
With the bypass technology there is next to no parasitic loss of HP off of the crank when at light loads ( in vacume).
At approx 70mph at light loads a CT/VT/KW setup has about the same HP draw as a roots supercharger which is almost next to nothing
A twin screw AKA WHIPPLE has a bit more because despite having the bypass technology there is still work being done to the incoming air mass due to its internal compression regardless of supercharger RPM.
The CT/VT/KW units at that speed are not rotating fast enough at 70mph and light loads to have very much internal compression and thus drag.
All forms of forced induction require work to be input into there specific from of compression/movement of air be it a bet driven supercharger (centrifugal or positive displacement) or a turbo even those electric superchargers.
Nothing is free in the world of thermodynamics.
My MY06 is comptech charged w/ aftercooler. its been awesome and I havnt had any problems. Its on stock boost w/ a comptech header and mugen exhaust. Made 303whp. This was suprisingly high for the standard boost level (5.5PSI). Im going dual kpro w/ a 10lb pulley this summer. hoping for 350ish.
Comptech ftw.
Also great customer support!
Comptech ftw.
Also great customer support!
Originally Posted by "H"badge,Apr 9 2009, 08:59 AM
My MY06 is comptech charged w/ aftercooler. its been awesome and I havnt had any problems. Its on stock boost w/ a comptech header and mugen exhaust. Made 303whp. This was suprisingly high for the standard boost level (5.5PSI). Im going dual kpro w/ a 10lb pulley this summer. hoping for 350ish.
Comptech ftw.
Also great customer support!
Comptech ftw.
Also great customer support!
I made 350whp at 10.5 psi with a stock header and a piggy back. You will make that min with your set up at 10psi
Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Apr 9 2009, 10:43 AM
They produce more boost at lower rpm as well as the broadest boost duration. There is a price to pay for this. reliability/ longevity/fussyness...
Reliability - the Eaton units come with a 100K warenty
Longevity again the 100K warranty
Longevity as it applies to the motor well that deepens on the driver your selected boost level, and tuners tuning ability; this applies to all forms of FI.
Fussiness (need a better description of what you exactly mean here)
Yes the roots supercharger does produce more initial IAT then say a turbo or centrifugal supercharger; this is because the ROOTS does not have internal compression and has lower over all compressor efficiencies. ( once I can get my hands on a TVS unti for a reasonable price the efficiency numbers will be in the Roots favor
)But once everything is intercooled properly IATs are comparable the same between the three FI types offered for the S2000.
Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Apr 9 2009, 02:12 PM
Yes, sure it depends on several factors. But when you add up the strengths of comparing this to a centrifugal blower, tuning and margin for error goes up significantly with a roots. Just one example for you which would tell you a few things. I have experienced no detonation runnign 10.5 psi with the stock ecu timing map with my Comptech. No timing intervention is needed to get up to 350whp. Thats becuase the boost characteristics threshold of the Centrifugal blower mesh with the factory power curve, and the stock motor can hold the boost range as it climbs at this level. That is worth mentioning and does have an effect on tuning needs, cost, reliabity if not all precsise needs are met. If you really pic things apart you know what you have had to deal with on your set up, and I know what Ive had to deal with on mine. Can your set up be reliable? sure I think so. But I bet it takes more consideration in tuning and cost to get there.
Originally Posted by s.hasan546,Apr 9 2009, 10:26 AM
s2000junky there have been people on this board that have blown their engines with 7-9 psi vortech and comptech kits. in ANY type of force induction i would want a tune and that will insure its reliability. roots will be reliable as long as a good tune is there. and that is not too hard to get done. the roots system itself doesnt generate heat that a turbo system does so it will be more "reliable" than that.
Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Apr 9 2009, 12:12 PM
. I have experienced no detonation runnign 10.5 psi with the stock ecu timing map with my Comptech.
Same here no timing being pulled on mine. @5.5 to 6psi
I am actually add in timing in the lower rpms to smooth out the vtec transition at 4k even more then it is with FI.







