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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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That AEM Meth inj kit looks nice with the failsafe relay output to EMS. Are you going to keep your current boost map for the failsafe and retune a second higher boost map for when meth is working? Oh I just noticed you are adding a testpipe, so I guess you would need to retune the safe map too. Hope it gives you at least the +20/20. Down in my neck of the woods it ought to give at least that much (with our hellacious Louisiana heat).
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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Yes it is old school info.

Boost is relative to the size of the turbo. 10 psi on a T28 isn't the same as 10 psi on a GT35R.

Lots of determining factors determine a "max psi on stock compression" rating than just the psi number.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by spectacle,Sep 25 2008, 01:13 PM
Yes it is old school info.

Boost is relative to the size of the turbo. 10 psi on a T28 isn't the same as 10 psi on a GT35R.

Lots of determining factors determine a "max psi on stock compression" rating than just the psi number.
This may be a silly question but isnt the effective compression ratio with either turbo the same? Has it got something to do with teh different spooling properties of each turbo? What are the differences safety wise between running a T28 and GT35R at let say 10PSI assuming that both are on a good tune? Love this site, you learn new stuff by the hour!

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by thrillissues,Sep 21 2008, 07:35 PM
Knock in simple terms is caused from incorrect timing created by improper fuel mixtures, early fuel detonation, etc. Knock is bad at all times regardless of your peak boost pressure. Just because you can't hear knock when increasing boost doesn't mean you aren't creating lean conditions and/or causing damage to your internals with high combustion temperatures!

As for the head... increasing boost pressure too high can lift the head enough to break the seal of your head gasket.

Solution is to upgrade head studs and head gasket. I don't know the particulars of the recommended max boost for a stock head gasket and head studs but I'm sure the info is somewhere on s2ki. Compression ratio and timing can also be altered slightly with the thickness of the head gasket.

If you already have knock there are a lot of possible problems, but they should be limited to the ignition or fuel system.

Also don't forget the more power you start making the more parts of the drive train will start needing replaced!
There is little evidence to support that assertion on the F20C. Very few people have experience headstud stretch at reasonable boost levels on this platform regardless of the studs used.

10 psi is the conservative answer...plenty of guys boost more trouble free on the stock HG.
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spectacle,Sep 25 2008, 04:13 PM
Yes it is old school info.

Boost is relative to the size of the turbo. 10 psi on a T28 isn't the same as 10 psi on a GT35R.

Lots of determining factors determine a "max psi on stock compression" rating than just the psi number.
no 10psi on a GT25 is the same thing as 10psi on a GT35.


Volume and CFMs, however, are completely different.
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Spec_Ops2087,Sep 25 2008, 07:40 PM
no 10psi on a GT25 is the same thing as 10psi on a GT35.


Volume and CFMs, however, are completely different.
That is correct
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 07:18 PM
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Yep, it's just the smaller turbo (i.e. GT25) will spool to 10 psi earlier in the RPM range.
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirpich,Sep 26 2008, 07:18 PM
Yep, it's just the smaller turbo (i.e. GT25) will spool to 10 psi earlier in the RPM range.
Thats the problem, safer and less likely to have detonation when boosting later in the rpm range. The natural characteristics of the high revving F20 especially, don't like to be force fed at 2500-4000rpms. Thats where you will likely run into detonation issues. This is one aspect of where a centrifugal SC is beneficial in making more peak power safer with less mods and financial expenses then a turbo on our motor, meaning more fun trouble free reliable miles.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 12:59 AM
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so...a friend who tuned with mase earlier today said how mase said the motor w/o a headgasket can run up to 14psi safely, stock.

as long as it's tuned with him.
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