ohh wow your at 414whp?

 

yep on a dyno dynamics too

 

im still shocked when i first heard from mike that you made 414 on his dyno with only 11lbs of boost.

my jaw was dropped hahahaha.

i would not be surprised if you would pass 450hp. but idk about 500whp on dynamics.


the only way to find out.... would be to max out that blower and call me and let me come and watch

 

im gonna do it man!
and im gonna call you to see see!

 

It's funny that you reference others as being ignorant but in the same post you lay out your plans for running meth. Now running meth is not necessarily a bad thing however, you must spend the money to get a very good system with multiple fail safes as you will tuning for power and relying on the meth to get you there. What scares me is that you ask a fairly simple FI question about BOVs which either demonstrates a lack or knowledge or confidence in your own knowledge and yet you plan on installing a meth kit which is far more complicated. Please keep in mind that meth adds another variable, more moving parts which means more potential failure points. If you need/want 500RWHP you may want to rethink your approach.

I say this not to flame just as someone that has been in your shoes. I had a Kraftwerks SC and wanted more power so I looked into meth. After speaking to multiple tuners and doing a ton of research I upgraded to a Mase turbo kit instead. All I can say is that once you have a taste of turbo, SC feels like NA (peronal opinion).

I don't know if Courage was speaking from experience but my buddy Don has suffered 3 failures from his SC. While they were minor and caused little down time (just days), they were still failures. If you do turbo correctly which definitely requires more work and money than doing a SC you'll have great reliability.

-Chris

BTW - I luv u guys (passes Bud Light)

 

That was uncalled for, the man is asking a question. There is no need to call him names.



Back on subject. The bov/re-circulation valve also helps MPG.

 

Agreed on all accounts including the meth.

Meth injection does not make HP. In fact, simply adding a meth setup will lose you HP if there is no adjustment to timing or boost. Meth injection allows you to run more aggressive timing and boost and those factors negate the loss in power created by injecting meth and the net gain is greater and safer.

As far as the superchargers...here's the only thing I really like about them and very large turbos. A large turbo should have more lag and power will really ramp up at higher rpms. As was pointed out, with a cenrtrifugal supercharger setup, boost is directly proportional to rpm. As rpm's rise in the F20/F22C, dynamic compression drops. I think this is why we have seen some guys make monstrous numbers with big turbos on a dead stock motor and pump gas.

But, also like you pointed out, you can do a turbocharger the right way or the wrong way. The right way, for me, would require a lot of effort and additional cost not usually incurred because I want to be able to be on boost 60% of the time around a road course. The centrifugal setups don't make the same power...no question about it...but the impeller moves far more slowly and the snail is far away from the wiring harness and motor mounts. This keeps underhood temps lower and keeps what heat is generated away from most things important. That's nice.

If I drove my car only on the street or daily drove it, there's no question about it, I'd be running a GT35R setup of some sort. There. I said it. I am a fan of turbos (dodging lightning as I type). Man, that felt good.

 

Can you explain that comment? How does a BOV help MPG?

 

The BOV/Recirculating valve (on a supercharger) vents all the unused air (when not under load) versus forcing it into the engine. When air is forced into the engine you will also need fuel to avoid a lean condition.

 

I doubt you will get 500whp from 14-15psi especially if you have the self lube SC. You will need the t-trim model snail otherwise you are pushing the limits of the sc you have. I suggest you read "sideways" thread on how to maximize the vortech. Also, he has the t-trim snail & more boost than you and still not at 500whp unless of course he goes to church.