I support people's right to do whatever the hell they like with their car and money. But the fact is, if you post a picture on here of your $3000 intake that does next to nothing except look outrageous and advertise your priorities, I'm going to give my opinion.

If, in a fit of halucinogenic exuberance, I had blown $3K on a lump of CF that looks like a necrotic digestive organ I would keep my hood well and truly closed. There is no way in hell I would want anyone to know that I can be raped that hard. Just IMNSHO.

 

Actually, it looks more like a bad case of 'toxic megacolon'.

 

I'm messy, what can I say?

 

Again, I defer to pg 3. Is it worth $3k? Again, defer to pg 5.

I disagree, but opinion appreciated anyway

 

the love of NA engines (especially for Honda's) comes from the fact that Honda stopped relying on turbo power for their cars because of it's shortcomings, i don't need to explain them because you are obviously an expert on everything turbo. and did anyone notice that honda started winning some JGTC races now that the NSX's are back to NA! honda has proven their turbo worthyness in formula 1 long ago and they are the leaders in NA technology in my opinion without question, so i say stick to Honda's great formula.

secondly, "A turbo S I think in any situation is going to out perform a NA S. Ok, let's start the argument on this one now, NA freaks "

This statement was not thoughtout in my opinion but that doesn't matter, my point is that true car enthusiasts are looking for fun not all out speed, a 500hp turbo S2000 may be quite fast on a track but compared to a 280hp NA S2000 it won't be nearly as fun to drive. please don't try to argue against this because I truly believe this to be the truth along with many others. and as i have set before, the sharpness of an NA engine revving high is uncomparable Tuuuuuuuuuuuurbo.

i love turbo's, on cars that they were designed to be used on and on tuned cars that are built with a very specific purpose, but i don't like you at all.

 

Everybody has different preferences and requirements regardless of how rational or irrational that may seem. Some people think the car is perfect the way it is and think any modification is pointless and wasteful. Some people obsess about horsepower and turbocharging would be the perfect solution. And then I have my requirements, stipulated on p.3.

I did not feel the car lacks much power since I don't have any interest in drag-racing or racing on the streets. If that was my question, then the answer is turbo or s/c. I don't care much for JDM points. If I did, then the answer would be Toda ITBs or whatever turbocharger is powering the Amuse S2000. I'm not out to win any track events. If I did, I should get rid of all that crap, gut the car out, and place a 6-point roll cage. If the question was to get a faster car, then a better answer would be to buy a faster car in the first place (Evo, Z06, M3, Atom, Super7, etc). If I cared that much about looks, then my engine bay would look a lot cleaner, but it doesn't.

I think I'll rename the thread...

 

This is the common misconception about turbocharging. If we were talking 20psi and 500hp then I agree with all the NA luddites. Your engine won't last as long and it won't be that much fun to drive.

But that totally ignores what most of us are actually doing. I run the LoveFab turbo kit with a GT3071R and 7.2psi. My drivability hasn't deteriorated, in fact it is dramatically improved. There is no noticable lag and midrange torque is masively improved. And I have a top end that is just plain ballistic. That's on a stock motor. I would challenge any of the NA lovers to drive my car and tell them it isn't pretty damn close to ideal.

I guess one way to think of my set up is the ultimate NA engine (F20C) with a bit of help over atmospheric. Seriously, I haven't lost any of the benefits of NA, but I have added the advantage of FI.

 

You can say that about the NSX too. Trust me after a few months of tweaking on it, I would be able to say that.. I have the money, means, parts, hookups, tuning facilities, etc..

BTW I am speaking for a lot of people not just myself.

I still cant believe all the hatred over this intake that costs as much as a Mugen used. Why dont you guys bitch about that intake being to much?

The NSX intake (only) costs more than the money you have spent on your turbo. So what? I would still take the NSX over a 300hp S2000 any day of the week. In NA form with an intake I would probably walk a turbo S2k all day long and out perform it on an open track, straight line, and top speed.. But this isnt about which is better. Its about preference my friend. You live in a boosted world. We dont. We have been there and experienced failure, detonation, costs, etc that lead me to believe that NA (what Honda meant for the F20C engine) is the way for some of us to go. You on the other hand have a very conservative turbo. I am talking about the 450-900hp S2ks that are roaming around not the lower end turbo 250hp-350hp ones. I would agree that you can maintain them but again at over 100,000 miles on a boosted engine, things start to break down that on an otherwise NA car wouldnt.. I want to see your OEM rear diff and clutch at 100,000 miles or even 120,000 miles. Now compare that to a OEM with just this ASM intake or any intake for that matter. If yours has been replaced then I can say I told you so. If it has not then you can tell me I told you so... Until that day I will stick to what has happened to me and my past 3 Hondas.

 

I think the reason this argument won't die is that you constantly make this personal. Don't tell me where 'I' live. Notice how when I comment on the intake I say "If I had bought it I'd feel like an idiot" rather than "The purchaser is an idiot". I think if you kept this to your preferences for you this would have died long ago.

On the subjects of diff and drivetrains, once again you are correct. If you drastically exceed the power of the stock engine you will strain and break elements on your car. And if you stay NA you will be safe, simply because you can't drastically exceed the power of the stock engine. However, suggesting that 'not making much power' is a feature that somehow justifies ridiculous price tags is the height of chutzpah.

As for other products/manufacturers with massively inflated price tags, I can assure you that if they were the topic of this thread my response would be the same. You should look up some of my comments on Mugen's $30 gold oil filter sometime.

 

Are you sure the issue was with the FI?