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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowTeg
Originally Posted by davidc1' timestamp='1404398778' post='23228768
The flywheel cover thing, unless I"m thinking wrong, can't be a Canton fabricating issue. It's just a piece of flat sheet metal, right? It's gotta be a difference in Gearhead1186's car. IMO, I want to run the flywheel cover, but I'm thinking more important for the track rather than the street. I'm more concerned with big pieces of dirt and rocks getting in their from an off, rather than just dust and water from the street.
It can be a fabrication "issue" if the piece of metal shouldn't be flat.. The one thing that seems possible is that the AP2's flywheel has more material on the "back" of the flywheel (opposite side of the clutch), and it's just enough that causes clearance problems on ap2s..? Or is it hitting the ring gear of the flywheel? I'm just guessing. The ap2 flywheel definitely has more mass to it, I'll take a look at the ap2 flywheel sitting in the garage this weekend. Have people installed this cover on their ap1 without issues? I am running a lighter flywheel on my ap2 so perhaps those running ap1/lighter flywheels won't have this issue? How tight was the clearance gearhead?

There's rocks on the street as well.. Ultimately ya it's a moot point, it's a good idea to run the flywheel cover.
If you look at my original photos, it is hitting the raised area on the back of the flywheel. If I was near a computer I'd photoshop some arrows. If you look at the bottom picture on my previous post, there is a raised area as well albeit a bit smaller. So there does look there is a difference between years but judging by those two photos alone, it seems like there will be interference either way.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 11:27 AM
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Is Canton going to make me one that will actually fit my AP2? It should have been tested on two known car revisions.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 11:50 AM
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I installed mine. AP1, I just had to do following.
Remove windage tray.
Slightly bore out 7 holes on oil pan ( and when I say slightly I mean you almost can't tell).
Flywheel cover bolted up after I filed the 2 mounting holes were off by maybe 2mm, not a big deal.(which use stock bolts). I'll take pics tonight.

I will also be removing the pan in a month as I just realized I should have done DAMN banjo bolt upgrade...grrrrrr my fault.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
Hey.....mellow....mellow.....mellow......you haven't even installed yours yet.
I'm not going to until I have parts that fit. It's already been noted/proven that the AP2 does not fit with the stock flywheel.

Originally Posted by davidc1
there was only one person who volunteer their car and he was over an hour away from cantons headquarters.
I understand that, however, it should have been tested on both AP1 and AP2 before release. Shipping is an option.


Originally Posted by davidc1
other guys have installed theirs on ap2 without any issue. So my guess is that this may be an aftermarket flywheel and or clutch on his car. I'll post more later including some replies from Canton. I can't right now though, because my computer just crashed. Which gives me a great excuse to buy another one tonight.
I'm guessing they have a different flywheel. Once guy had to space his, the other had to fabricate a fix. I have an AP1 flywheel waiting to go on, but not until the clutch needs replaced.


I'm not mad, and I'm not directing anything at you. I am a bit disappointed though. It would have been nice to have it completely bolt up like a stock pan, flywheel covering and all.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 01:25 PM
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I don't have an Ap2 nor an ap1 flywheel.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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Everyone that is whining and complaining about what "should have" is exactly why there aren't many companies left that are willing to take a risk on producing parts for cars.

It costs too much but it should have been tested more and it should have been built better and you should have got it sooner...

These aren't OEM Honda parts; they are race car parts. Some modification and assembly required is assumed if you have been in the game longer than breakfast.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 06:16 PM
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^^ This is what Ive accepted since 96 lol.. But really, since there aren't any dowel pins..this pan can appear to not line up properly. I installed mine in my spare motor and everything checked out just fine. But I really had to line it up perfect otherwise it "appeared" to hit the oil pump. I am lucky enough that I can situate my motor to be upside down, making it pretty easy to line it up.

But, maybe others are having legit issues.

FYI, my spare motor is an AP1
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 06:22 PM
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I have an MY06 with AP1 flywheel and did not have issues with the flywheel cover plate. Nor did I have issues with the pickup (I didnt reinstall the OEM girdle)

In my opinion I think we (Canton & consumers) are equally guilty. Bad on Canton for not test fitting the pans on more than 2 motors before releasing to public and bad on us for expecting a perfect pan. We all knew Canton had 1 block to work with and 1 car to test fit it on, this is not new news. Consider ourselves lucky we at least got these 2 specimens to play with. As stated before, there are unknowns in building a new product and great risk hoping there won't be any findings/observations once the product releases market. We should set our expectations appropriately for where this pan is in its development life cycle.

Personally, I had no issues installing the pan on my AP2 and quite pleased with the overall fitment. It could've turned out much much worse. One perfect example - remember the Avid motor mounts? I was one of the first to purchase these and was a test mule for several months. The damn thing didn't even bolt up. It was complete crap, useless and waste of my time.

I do appreciate the knowledge sharing - helps build a better product and keeps us aware or issues during install
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 12:36 AM
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Agreed with both of the posts above. Unfortunately for me, I don't quite have the free time I used to, and I'm not quite as mechanically apt as I'd like to be (i'm trying to work on it though).

Anyway, I'm still happy overall (although I haven't installed mine yet).

I figure I'll use jb weld, alumilite, and duct tape if needed... LOL!!! JK, although I wouldn't put it beyond me to do something ghetto fab like that.

All of that said, I think there shouldn't be any surprises for me when I finally do get around to installing this.

Thanks to everyone else for sharing your experiences.
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Old Jul 4, 2014 | 04:42 AM
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I'm of the same thought process as 99SH. Canton could've done a little more but people expecting perfection and OEM fitment are being unrealistic in their expectations. All things considered the fitment issues sound minor. Good to hear it fit on your '06. Gives me hope. Im running an F1 racing flywheel, so we'll see how it fits. Hopefully in about another month I'll get some time to really work on the car and I'll install the pan.
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