Anyone who thinks a part is good because it's JDM is an unqualified moron.

Notice that is not the same as saying anyone that thinks that a JDM part is good is a moron. It is certainly possible for a JDM part to be good, the same way it's possible for a USDM or EDM part to work well, but the fact that it is JDM does inherently make it better. Kind of like how a race car being from Japan does not automatically make it better.

 

not even a 13b for that matter, but carry on.

 

There you go. Those are almost certainly "the fastest RX8s on the planet", but are they really RX8s? Is a NASCAR "Toyota Camry" really a Toyota Camry? No S2000 is going to be lapping Talladega at 200 mph. So does that mean the fastest Camrys are faster than the fastest S2000s?

And then there are all the FI S2000s. Most of them will be faster than any NA S2000. Do they count?

BKL, no matter how impressed you are with the Japanese tuner cars, you can't reasonably call them "the fastest S2000s" unless you define what you are talking about.

 

 

The c-west s2000 is semi tube frame.

 

Okay. Here I go.

ASM Time attack s2000.

J's Racing street "touge" time attack s2000

J's racing unlimited time attack s2000

C-west time attack s2000

All of these are very very fast cars. None of them are used to compete in any sanctioned racing, but who said fast parts has to be used only on race cars? These cars still use parts that are off the shelf (the J's street time attack car uses all off the shelf). This is mind boggling, i know.

The ASM and C-west cars have their chassis modified extensively, so those two I wouldnt consider to be fully s2000s. But the J's cars still run on the same chassis, and they are exceptionally fast cars.

Just because you have not seen fast JDM cars dont mean they dont exist. Mike Garrison, you track at Pacific Raceways, I'm sure you have tracked with the AJ crew. You've seen some of their quicker s2000s around the track, are they slow?

 

Compared to what? You still don't seem to be getting it. The AJ cars I've seen have ranged from decent to good lap times for a street S2000. Some really good.

As far as I can tell, they would all be dogmeat against an S2000 race car like several people in this forum have built, especially if the race car was allowed to not run the ballast they use to get minimum weight for their class.

It's not so much about what parts you bolt onto the car as it is about what parts you unbolt from the car. Weight tends to rule on the racetrack.

 

You sure about that?

I'm not saying you're wrong but, I remember reading somewhere that under the Unlimited N/A class rules of most of the Time Attacks in Japan, the cars have to retain the OEM chassis configuration.

 

Do you have pics, whats your def of tube frame?

 

ASM still uses the original s2000 chassis and suspension pickup points! Their chassis prep is as any other "serious" race car would have done, stitch welding, reinforcement in key places and a cage.

C-West's newer car is semi-tube-framed, but they have typically been the slower of the Time Attack S2000s in Japan.

I'm not sure how well any of the S2000 race cars out here would fair against ASM or Top Fuel. When I went to Tsukuba last year, ASM brought along a Sachs and Toda engineer. They've also been doing wind tunnel testing with an ex-F1 aerodynamicist. The top tier teams, like HKS, CyberEvo, Panspeed, M-Speed, Top Fuel, and ASM are no joke. True, some of the safety measures they employ seem to throw caution to the wind, but I don't think the work they put into their cars should be taken lightly, atleast not from what I've seen in person.

I'm not saying the cars built stateside are slow either, but teams in Japan are building cars to set records, and theres an unfathomable amount of money poured into the top running cars. To date, I haven't seen terribly amazing performances from cars here. I'm sure there are some fast ones, but no one talks about them.

Of course, in the end it all depends on the nut sitting behind the steering wheel. All we're really doing is bench racing here anyways...