^^ I'd be fine with all of that....

 

I don't like it because it seems like "me" proposal, with unintended consequences. Limited UDBD could possible make an unpopular or expensive car, the car to have. Like a porsche or something. While it makes sense in this singular case, sort of, it doesn't seem like something that competitors should have to worry about.

Additionally, it's work with little benefit, and a whole lot of risk. It's also an autox only modification, why would that be a good idea when much of what's being suggested is about fixing problems of perception, and creating multiple uses?. Why would someone who's interested in making their car faster want to be limited to springs that were only available to the same car from different years? They would much rather put aftermarket suspension on their car if going through the trouble, because that's obviously an upgrade, right?

Anyway, I think there might be some long term value in a wheel allowance, since most competitors are going to buy wheels anyway.

 

Stock shocks, while a good idea in theory, runs into cost issues. When you need to replace worn shocks having to buy oem ones is more expensive than aftermarket if you want new. Older cars might not even be able to source true oem. Instead of stock the wording should be non adjustable to alleviate this issue. Personally I'm with you on shocks remaining free though.

 

Yeah, I can't comment on how UDBD would apply to other classes or other Makes/models, I only say that in this case, it would be nothing but a positive thing for stock class s2000 owners that want to be competitive in BS but don't want to spend $25K for a CR. I am only suggesting this allowance for stock class s2000's. The CR would still be the car to have, but it's advantages over the other platforms (Base AP2 and AP1) would be largely reduced. It won't turn an AP1 or AP2 in to the overdog, it will just make them campaignable.

I am not sure what you mean by the work with little benefit, and issues regarding perception. If you are referring to just BS S2000 owners, then I would say that the work to change the springs is the same as the work required to change the shocks, and if you are serious about being competitive you are going to be changing shocks, especially in the base AP1 and AP2 chassis, so it won't cause anyone any more effort. There is a tremendous benefit (much faster lap times) gained by the stiffer springs and ability run 275x4 A6 or ~255x4 in a street tire trim. It is not perception, it's reality- we have all been over this many times - it's part of the same reason the Z0K is faster than a base, the same reason an MSR is faster than a base, the same reason a CR faster than a base - stiffer springs make the lap times drop. (Along with many other CR advantages)

 

Sorry, I included references to the conversation that is being had over on rrax.

My comments were mainly about the problem facing the average joe neverautoxed. If you widen your view about the role of the changes in the context of the whole club, you'll see how "specific" allowances don't really help make it easier to get into the entry level classes. It makes it harder. I totally get why it makes sense for this car, but for "easy peasy stock class" if you told some guy, who's never autoxed before, that he has to go find these specific springs from a certain car, and that he has to go buy special wheels, but that they are "stock" parts, you've driven that guy off to golf, or pushed him into one of the other classes.

I think.

 

Looking at the recent Tour results, now SS and AS are both Corvette classes.

I'm okay with one of the classes being a high dollar street car class. What's wrong with that as long as its only one class?

There must be a niche of some $$ street car drivers who don't want to chew up liners and fenders and mod the heck out of their sports car daily drivers.

I still think stock classes should be in inclusion only like club racing. That will reduce number of variables and trying to class 20 bajillion cars all at once with different mod response. Someone wants to run a specific unclassed car? They can put in a request for approval.

Make street class more of a spec class.

 

Joe has no chance of winning anyway. Once Joe has more experience he will have the ability to prep his car to the maximum allowances. If the allowances weren't there, then Joe would have to sell his AP1 because he just realized it can't win with those small ass wheels.

 

Roger that. I think Ndogg makes a good point too.

 

New fastrack out.

Swaybar rule taken back. Current one swaybar rule in place.
Shocks --> DA still okay.
Wheels +/- one inch diameter, same offset.
Camber plates for struts.
Need stock exiting exhaust (no more cut off's and turn downs).
200TW tires.

SS on R's as a separate class as long as they keep numbers up.

 

And are any B-stock guys concerned about STIs now that grip will be more limited?