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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 09:15 AM
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Just because something isn't listed doens't mean it's allowed. Many of your free mods count.

A/F computer = VAFC. Same as "Vtec Controller". As a matter of fact ther should be charges for each piggy back ecu.

Big Brakes are listed. 15pts.

Dump +200lbs, but add 600lb cage?

Differential should be added. 15 pts?
Gearing changes should be added too. 15pts?
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 11:29 AM
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What krazik said.
Also:
- ignition controller = ECU = 25
- gearing change already in there -- final drive 25, full tranny 75.

On exhaust: cat-back is now free, but what about straight-pipe (no cat)?

Overall opinion on the classification:
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Old Nov 8, 2002 | 06:50 PM
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Jerry Jerry Jerry,

I thought they had clean air up there. You must be inhaling something.

Starting with your math: Supercharger 100 + spec tires 50 + shocks 25 + swaybar 15 = 190. Not a big mistake, but I just thought I'd point it out.

Now your reading comprehension: "No changes are allowed to a car unless they are listed below." So all the things you mention that aren't mentioned in the points listing are not allowed. However, I've added many of them to the list since you've called more mods to our attention, so now they're allowed and ascribed points. Thanks.

Now your vocab.:
"Air Fuel Controller" = VTEC (VAFC) controller, 15pts.

"Big Brakes" = Calipers/Rotors 17 pts.

"Undersized Tires" ???

As for the "Nitrous", Jerry, it's for your car.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 08:25 AM
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I've yet to see a dyno that shows removing the cat makes power on our car.

DavePK did it and I don;t think he found any gains.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by twohoos


Overall opinion on the classification:
I agree. Lenient enough to be creative in how you use the points allocated, and I like the fact that there are only four classes, and I can still use all those old Hoosiers in Production if I don't go crazy with mods.

I guess I am leaning a bit towards the Production class at the moment....

Nice job Aaron. For a while there, I thought the classing stuff would be a rathole that would go on for months....
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 10:33 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by desert tortoise
[B]Jerry Jerry Jerry,
I thought they had clean air up there.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 10:49 AM
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It's my opinion that not only must the springs be of the stock length, but they must also be of the same rate that came on the car of that year. If the '02 springs turn out to be of higher rate and thus more competitive, they need to be ascribed those points. Same goes for swaybars.

Stock items must also be kept in an unmodified state - if we allowed cut stock springs, one could get a really long bump stop, cut down the spring, and still have a relatively controllable but much lower and stiffer than stock automobile for no points ascribed. Nope. Stock parts have to stay stock.

Jerry, who makes a 245/40-16 with a decent compound? The only shorter tire I know of is the 215/40-16 Hoosier, which gives an ~8% height/gearing reduction over the 245/45-16. But the deficit in handling, especially in a track situation, would be detrimental.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 11:10 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jzr
[B]It's my opinion that not only must the springs be of the stock length, but they must also be of the same rate that came on the car of that year.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 11:49 AM
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No cutting of stock springs: "No changes allowed unless listed below," and ascribed points. No modifications to stock parts are allowed or replacement of stock parts unless noted or ascribed points.

Re. '02 vs. earlier model components: until we're ready to "penalize" for driving an '02 altogether (which not only has better springs but are showing 5 more hp on the dynos apparently) I think we should allow people with earlier models to replace their components with '02 components. Maybe in a year or two we can start penalizing newer model cars, but until then let's let people swap from S2k to S2k.

I have an '02 shortblock in my car now for instance. It may make more power, it may not. I hope it does.

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Old Nov 20, 2002 | 04:00 PM
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Here's how my points fall out with the second draft:


STOCK
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