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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by teamking,Jun 13 2006, 07:05 AM
I think it's because on the East Coast, where we haven't developed a critical mass of S2K drivers, we recognize just how important it is to be inclusive and get as many drivers to the track as possible.
There is nothing stopping you, personally, from starting an East Coast A-Stock S2000 Series.

It would be nice to find some setup that everyone can agree upon, if for no other reason than just to compare times at different tracks. But given the geography of the US, it's not too likely that people from VA and CA will be driving to each other's events. I guess it is possible, though.

In my own neck of the woods, there are five road courses (well, a couple are marginal and one is financially troubled, but for now they still exist) within a few hours drive of Seattle and then no others within 700 miles. So it's not too surprising that our local racers have developed their own racing series and sanctioning bodies. Some of the rules try to harmonize with the SCCA, and a few of the locals have moved on to run in national series, but there's just not a whole lot of practical incentive to do so.

It would be nice to have a national Spec S2000 or S2000 Prod classification, but I don't think that is a realistic goal at this time. For now I think each local area needs to do whatever makes sense to them. There's always the default of SCCA Solo AS rules to fall back on for national harmonization.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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Okay okay, you guys are right and i am wrong. I should have kept my mouth shut since i don't have much time behind the wheel with r compounds. But my first impression with them was "wow, so much grip!" hehe. Anyways, i now agree with what you guys are saying. To maximize R compounds requires much more skill and attention since you are carrying much more speed. R compounds also tend to give you less warning when they give out.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by teamking,Jun 13 2006, 11:08 AM
I'd love to let someone drive my S at VIR...
You have a rollbar? VIR only allows our car on their track when fitted with an aftermarket bar. They're not overly particular about which one, but it has to be there.

It takes so long for this thread to load/post, that I forgot exactly what I intended to type, but it goes along the following lines. I seriously doubt the newbie to tracking is going to compete in a series. You don't just jump in and say, " , where can I compete with my stock S2000?"

I don't see a Spec class making track junkies out of casual owners. Do folks like to compare themselves to others? You betcha. Do I think the guy or girl that has to drive their daily-driven car back home will be jumping at the chance to go w2w in that same car? No.

I'm a nobody; just some guy with a modded S that has some track days and autox's. After all the discussion thus far, I realize that I will not be able to(nor care to de-mod so much) compete with my current S2000. I'm still curious as to why someone suggested any front bar except a blade-type? Is the Gendron bar that much better than than the Comptech?

I do wish the best of luck in the hardest phase of any endeavor: planning.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jun 13 2006, 09:10 AM
I agree, to get the most out of them you have to go to higher slip angles and stay there without going over the edge. Like I said earlier, it takes more skill to drive R-compounds well (relative to other drivers on R-compounds) than it does to drive street tires well (relative to other drivers on street tires).
Could you explain what do you mean by you have to go to higher slip angles w/ r-comps? I plan to move to r-comp soon from street tires and just was wondering what this means.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by StinkyTofu,Jun 13 2006, 10:32 AM
Okay okay, you guys are right and i am wrong. I should have kept my mouth shut since i don't have much time behind the wheel with r compounds. But my first impression with them was "wow, so much grip!" hehe. Anyways, i now agree with what you guys are saying. To maximize R compounds requires much more skill and attention since you are carrying much more speed. R compounds also tend to give you less warning when they give out.
Well, I sort of agree with your point. IMO, street tires overheat far too easily after a few laps on the track, and become greasy. At that point it becomes an exercise in car control, as the car steps out and can't maintain its grip. When I switched from S-03's to RA1's I noticed how much easier it was to drive. The grip levels are so much higher you didn't have to constantly correct the car. But, when R compounds do lose grip, they go out faster and without as much warning (less squeel).

IMO, R compounds are safer on the track. I never get why people keep espousing the myth to stick to street tires and then after 100 events you can finally move up to R compounds. Street tires can't handle the heat generated from the track, and I'll bet you go through more street tires on the track than just having a single set of R compounds. Its an exercise in futility IMO.

No one tells you to stick to stock brake pads for a while then move up to racing pads. Why? Because its a safety issue. You're stock pads will give out after a few laps (I'm assuming we're driving hard) . Same applies to R compounds IMO.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jun 12 2006, 06:41 PM
Frankly, if you are going to spec a particular suspension, I don't see any reason why it can't be the OEM suspension. That would be cheapest. And it's silly to say that it's not "safe" with R-compounds.

I have a feeling that the impression of it not being safe was related to the bumpsteer issue rather than the damping and spring rates.
i'm cool with stock stuff. my only concern is replacement cost of the stock stuff. with only 5k made per year, stock peices could get hard to come by in junkyard 5-10 years from now,

look at the value/popularity of specrx7's
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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I would only be interested in using my bone stock setup. No way would want to buy new tires or new suspension.I think by allowing mods to the car you will knock out quite a few people. Why not have 2 classes of racing,1 bone stock and the other modified.

Thren the bone stock guys could move to the modded class later as they get more experience.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Jun 13 2006, 12:39 PM
You have a rollbar? VIR only allows our car on their track when fitted with an aftermarket bar.
I'm setting up for the track this winter.

I seriously doubt the newbie to tracking is going to compete in a series. You don't just jump in and say, " , where can I compete with my stock S2000?"

I don't see a Spec class making track junkies out of casual owners. Do folks like to compare themselves to others? You betcha. Do I think the guy or girl that has to drive their daily-driven car back home will be jumping at the chance to go w2w in that same car? No.
I disagree, but only because I think this spec class discussion seems to be moving more toward time-trial and away from wheel-to-wheel. W2W would be limited to existing track junkies. TT has a chance of bringing more people into the group.
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Jun 13 2006, 09:39 AM
I'm a nobody; just some guy with a modded S that has some track days and autox's.
I'm still curious as to why someone suggested any front bar except a blade-type? Is the Gendron bar that much better than than the Comptech?
1) Nobody drives a berlina, so you aren't him

2) Not sure if you were referring to my comment on blade type, but I was specifically alluding to cockpit adjustable...


IIRC Ry has been talking about this type of Spec series for years, so I would like to hear his comments



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