Anyone see that Best Motoring when they reviewed the AP1 and AP2? They actually swapped wheels at the end of the test. The AP1 with newer wheels performed marginally better but nothing significant. The AP2 with older wheels was pretty bad, traction seemed to be drastically reduced.

 

Have you driven a stock S2k on r-comps at the limit? It's a pretty scary ride. The suspension gets really twitchy under that kind of load. The BSK makes it safer, but only in one respect

 

I haven't driven an S2000 on r-comps with anything OTHER than the stock coilovers. I kind of giggle when you guys say that it can't be done.

I did put in the bumpsteer kit before I started using the RA1s.

As for "at the limit", well I drive close to my limit. I won't presume to say that it is necessarily the car's limit.

 

[QUOTE=drewchie,Jun 12 2006, 05:04 PM] I don

 

I vote for stock suspension also. All we want to do is equalize the cars so driver is the variable, but also make it trackworthy. So brake pads/fluid and tires are the only needed changes, with only wheels+tires requiring a spec. The only disparity then becomes 2.2 vs. 2.0 and bumpsteer, and that's all we should try to solve. Few other mods that don't have a meaningful impact on laptimes can be allowed as discussed by others earlier. It needs to be simple and cheap.

 

I'm not saying it can't be done; I've been driving my yellow car on r-comps with stock suspension for three years now.

I've also driven on the KWs and the difference is huge!!! Instead of a scary twitchy ride, it's flat and smooth.

If I were to name a single factor that is most detrimental in my current setup, it would have to be the suspension. Not only does a good set of coilovers help, but they also inspire much more confidence and are frankly a lot more fun. Yes $1800 bucks is a lot, but we thought long and hard on this one.

That said... it's still not written in stone.

As for the person who suggested the new Tein setup... yes, I too have heard very good things, but that would add at least another $500 to the price tag. For now, I think the KWs are expensive enough.

 

We should not be trying to make the car faster, just equal. Stock suspension may be slower and harder to drive, but that makes driver even more important.

 

Let's get some more voices/opinions on the suspension issue...

Stock or Coilovers?????

 

Again, it gets back to what you are really trying to do. It sounds like the real goal is to get the most interest, not to make the fastest car or the cheapest car.

What you have to decide is if a particular rule will add or detract interest. For instance, the coilovers: if it is more fun to drive the car with the coilovers, perhaps more people will want to participate even though it costs extra money. That's the real metric you need to be looking at.

If you come up with a set of rules that works for this spec series but nothing else (doesn't make a good street car, limits what people can play around with as a HPDE car, doesn't work as a race car) then you are unlikely to draw serious interest.

If you come up with a set of rules that is compatible with street use, then you may get a lot more interest because people won't have to have a "SV Spec S2000" car that they can't use for anything else.

Otherwise I think you will end up with basically the series you already have.

 

Since the AP1 BSK adjusts the stock AP1 bumpsteer, an AP1 kit would also effect the AP2 bumpsteer but not in such a postive manner (might introduce more bumpsteer). The AP2 has minor bumpsteer, but a toe-link could be made by GFL specifically for the AP2 if there was enough demand. It would just give the additional camber range gain and less of the bumpsteer reduction benefit as experienced on the AP1s.