Edit...useless post.

 

Sent... SEB letter #8633

 

FYI: This is what I wrote. Kinda did it hastily so I wouldn't be surprised if I messed up there but I'm at work writing this

While all of us now greatly appreciate the ability to use piggy back systems to tune our ST* cars (in this case Pre-2006 S2000s), there are actually no real affordable and safe ways to do this. Instead people are spending ridiculous amounts of time and money to try and get a piggy back compliant solution hacked together and then find a tuner willing to tune such a system. The cost for this is significantly more than a standalone and provides no more or less performance benefit. In fact, people doing so are risking potentially ruining their engines as the stock ECU and piggy back engine management unit (EMU) fight each other to get the car running correctly. I don't see any reason why standalone ECUs should be excluded from the approved modifications given that it does not actually make the class "cheaper" to run nor does it provide any performance advantage. In fact, I'd argue, the piggy back is making the class more expensive. For those that don't want to deal with piggy backs, they are resorting to spending more money on buying the newer 06+ S2000s so they can use the reflash based Hondata FlashPro to tune their cars and be legal under the current rules. I therefore think it is in the best interest of the class to simply allow standalone ECUs in order to in fact reduce the cost of running in ST*, increasing the reliability of the cars being raced and more importantly, allowing more cars to be on par and competitive with one another (for the S2000 case, all model years would be of equal footing). I'm not the only one thinking this. In fact within the S2000 community, there isn't a single competitor that I've met that is opposed to letting people run standalones especially now that piggy backs are allowed in the first place. Piggy backs are a hacky solution that promote the wrong approach to engine tuning and safety.

 

#8635 for mine. I see nothing coming from this though. BS

 

Who knows...my miata friends are complaining about the same limitation so it seems like we're all complaining about the same thing and since we're all competing in the same class logically it would make sense to lift the restriction if everyone affected is ok with it. At some point I'm sure the rule was put into place to prevent costs from going crazy but I don't think it's fulfilling that purpose right now. There is no argument (technical, financial or performance) where allowing a piggy back and not allowing standalones makes sense anymore.

 

SEB# 8641

 

I'm still bitter about having to give up my purty big ass wang because of the concern of people spending too much $ on them. Following the same logic of the wing, they should yank the tuning too.

 

I'd so be ok with that... hello AP1 at the top of STR

 

LoL, opening up a can of worms I see Although in part I feel either we let everyone tune (using any method they want) or not let anyone tune at all (which is counter to being allowed to make all these bolt on changes that require some level of tuning to be safe).

 

IMO, you are underestimating the low end torque the non-tuned AP2's have over us, and how much we need the our VTEC lowered. The beautiful thing about STR is that so many cars could win. (Unlike B-Stock... Ha!)