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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by odb812
FMIC will not help the type of cooling that is of concern on track, it will actually hurt it. Most issues people have with FI are when the engine becomes too hot(coolant temps) and the engine oil cannot do it's job properly, you don't see too many head gaskets or issues from hot intake air other than poor performance. A FMIC will cool the intake air, but it will heat and limit air flow to everything that sits behind it--which is typically where the radiator sits.

If I owned a NA s2000 and I were considering going FI and tracking the car, I think the first step going down that path is getting the car to the track as-is. I think someone in that position doesn't even know the questions that they want answered yet and getting out there will help you determine the areas that should be of concern.
Still learning, researching and asking questions to give me another direction on research, this is a very interesting subject to me and I want to know all I can before applying any trial and error. Definitely hear you on everything you're saying. What kind of cooling setup for the track would you recommend for s/c applications specifically? Would a V-mount system be the only option in your opinion?
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 01:29 AM
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If the idea is to have a great car like and s2k built up with FI to be able to run with faster cars like porches and vettes, save your $ and buy one of those. I could easily be in a newer zo6 or Evan a 996 gt3 with all the $ I've put into my car.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 03:20 AM
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I agree with that. I could have something else. But i like the s2000 way to much to sell it for a chevy or german car.

The best thing to do is a dual core dual pass radiator. Attempting to be sure every cooling device gets fresh air is critical. So in my case ill be mounting my frozen boost heat exchanger on an angle so air can flow over the top into the radiator and oil cooler. I like jossermans setup.

Josserman, can you provide any data on your setup yet?

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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by josserman
If the idea is to have a great car like and s2k built up with FI to be able to run with faster cars like porches and vettes, save your $ and buy one of those. I could easily be in a newer zo6 or Evan a 996 gt3 with all the $ I've put into my car.
While it definitely ain't cheap, I think for ~$15k into the car it can be made to keep up with porsches and faster cars (not including labor). Vettes probably aren't very expensive to track, but a new porsche is much more expensive to track than an s2k. I think there are a few SC s2k track cars out there. So say for ~$35k, you can get quite a quick car. That's going to be a lot less than a GT3. Vette probably not. With that said, I think we all mod the car because we enjoy it and it's fun for us. It's definitely not cheap if you have to pay someone to do everything or factor in labor..
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by josserman
If the idea is to have a great car like and s2k built up with FI to be able to run with faster cars like porches and vettes, save your $ and buy one of those. I could easily be in a newer zo6 or Evan a 996 gt3 with all the $ I've put into my car.
It's because I like the S2000 more than any German or American abomination that I want to build it up like this, call it passion I suppose. I don't intend on turning it into some crazy track beast over night or anything though, this is definitely a project I'll invest in over time, that's what makes it more fun to me. Sure you could just buy your ultimate dream car, but I can find it more personal to build onto a car that I already once considered a dream.

Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
I agree with that. I could have something else. But i like the s2000 way to much to sell it for a chevy or german car.

The best thing to do is a dual core dual pass radiator. Attempting to be sure every cooling device gets fresh air is critical. So in my case ill be mounting my frozen boost heat exchanger on an angle so air can flow over the top into the radiator and oil cooler. I like jossermans setup.

Josserman, can you provide any data on your setup yet?

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Nice, sounds like I have some research to do. Thanks for the input.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 05:17 PM
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Hey guys my cars still being built hoping to get it out to the track in late March. So won't have details till then on my cooling setup.

I agree that building something unique is very cool, but it comes at a price tag that's much greater then you would expect, and at the end of the day it's impossible to get you money back from. Versus buying a used 996 gt3 or setup c6 zo6 having a ton of people to compete head on with in the same care and then being able to sell it for close to what you bought it for.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by josserman
I agree that building something unique is very cool, but it comes at a price tag that's much greater then you would expect, and at the end of the day it's impossible to get you money back from. Versus buying a used 996 gt3 or setup c6 zo6 having a ton of people to compete head on with in the same care and then being able to sell it for close to what you bought it for.
Well, the one big factor that you ALWAYS have to consider if you're doing racing/HPDE's is the possibility/chance of totalling your car. If you can't afford it, then you shouldn't be tracking the car (you can buy track insurance but it adds up..). Crashing a GT3 hurts a helluva lot more than crashing an s2k. For that reason, you'll notice that many porsche driver's don't push their cars as hard as I would my s2k, and for good reason.

Another thing to consider is running costs. Maintenance costs on an s2k are definitely cheaper than a GT3. An instructor of mine last year had a GT3 he used to track, but he sold it because he said his turbo miata he could run for a whole season where his GT3 the same amount would cover a weekend. So, you certainly have "advantages" to tracking an s2k. Especially for an NA s2k, it's very cheap and generally reliable to track, relative to a porsche.

Perhaps a z06 is better, but more weight and bigger tires always means higher running costs.
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Old Jan 25, 2014 | 09:15 AM
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thats why I built my s/c s2k. going on its second track season s/c'd I keep up with gt3 and it keeps it a drivers race with most cars. Once you get the cooling down its a blast. I pass gtr's gt3's m3's no problem. Time to Time they pass me if they have a better tires and brakes or driver w/e (last season I didnt run slicks). I could have gone with a more "high end" car in fact I sold a high end car because I liked this car more. There is something about the s2 that makes it worth it, from the light weight, to the double wishbone, all the way to the small displacement high rev its more fun to drive than most. makes the money all worth it to me. Problem is it is always gonna be more money than you think. Always plan for paying double than you expect that way your covered. and if you hit a wall you can get a new car and swap the parts cheaper than most cars at this level.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:12 AM
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WG installed with charger to cap boost so I don't go over 350 whp along me to class in TT2 but have massive powerband. If I drop some weight I can always lower peak hp!






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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 02:13 AM
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Sorry last pic is custom fuel surge setup ..
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